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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-993/1995-porsche-911-3-6-2dr/7092623
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont know

Thats a turbo........

Different market to me and although they have always attracted a premium over WB NA it will be interesting how that is maintained. Personally I think the gap with close over time based on personal experiece ie I did not want a Turbo as I much prefer the noise and power delivery of the NA engine. The high net worth individuals I know who have recently got into 993's wanted manual and N/A. They have plenty of faster, more exotic metal to drive and so the extra turbo power simply is not the appeal to them like it used to me when these cars where younger.

There are lots of people who also prefer the 993 looks without the rear spoiler which from most angles spoils the lines IMHO.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That turbo has been for sale for close to two years, strange refurb on it and I believe that's why its never sold, in my view.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChrisT70 wrote:
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-993/1995-porsche-911-3-6-2dr/7092623


Ow! my eyes... Surprised
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The question which hasn't been asked, at least for a while, is what 'an enthusiast' will pay in today's market for a 993.



25 bags for me Thumb

I'm not sure the reckoning buyers would not entertain a 993 for less than £50k but will when they're in excess of that price Dont know You either like the car for what it is or you don't and then store it away as an investment which doesn't float my boat.

The elephant in the room here is what was it traded at which is where the real price lies Dont know

It might sell to someone with a disposable amount of cash who fancies some fun. Sort of thing my chum would buy over the phone if it took his fancy, but they don't as they're too 'analogue'. Plus he learnt his lesson buying an AMV8 convertible in canary yellow over the phone believing the bull it was the 'sought after' colour. However when it turned up it was a manual and he wanted an automatic. Trying to sell it on was hard work due to the colour. frustrated

Tan interior with white dials kills this car.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

993 C4S
King of Porsche
Rarer than a turbo and 2S

It will sell.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But C2S nearly twice as rare based on total production.
Lets call the C4S the Prince of Porsches, OK?

The king has RWD Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus the more delightful public transport style vinyl trim Grin
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jpsand993c2s wrote:
But C2S nearly twice as rare based on total production.
Lets call the C4S the Prince of Porsches, OK?

The king has RWD Smile


Hand Not in RHD, 4S are much rarer in the UK, the Americans loved the 2S....erm due to the auto box which was not an option on the 4S Rolling Eyes
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Plus the more delightful public transport style vinyl trim Grin


I just take the full leather for granted but you can't beat the smell of old leather and oil Grin
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Compare this with the 57k mile Ocean Blue/Marble C2S at Paul Stephens for £84,995 and the price of the Paragon Car looks mighty over inflated.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Plus the more delightful public transport style vinyl trim Grin


They're faster like that Grin

Agree with Cableguy it's more than a little over egged...
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Look at all the attention it's getting though.

Not so daft those Paragon boys Grin
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:17 am    Post subject: 993 Reply with quote

About as much attention as the 911 2.0S. For years and years they have been trying to sell that car! It's one thing getting attention on a specialist forum and another getting someone to part with the money!
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dommorton wrote:
Look at all the attention it's getting though.


What you mean by those that currently own a 993 and have no desire to buy Dont know

They've over-egged it but once a punter slips on those rose tinted specs anything could happen. It might sell, but not at the list price, and never seen again.

If somebody whose not colour blind is looking for perfection surely they'd be better buying the Stephen's car at 84 large and sinking another 20 bags in to bring it to concors level Dont know

When a prospective buyer asks for a view, other than dropping his load on seeing the price, then I'll believe it.

I love these threads, they are better lubricated by the 'What's the best oil' classics Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

highway wrote:
The question which hasn't been asked, at least for a while, is what 'an enthusiast' will pay in today's market for a 993.

Personally I can't see any 993 derivative with much over 30k miles being worth over £100k. But clearly the wider market sees different. How many people want a wide body 993, without collector low miles, enough to trouser £100k plus? Those who this type of performance car really appeals to and who have the means to stump up £100k plus must be few
In number??


As an enthusiast the max I'd pay for a 993/964 is £60k. Just above that you're looking at a 991.1 4S or a 997.2 Turbo or an Audi R8 V10 etc...just couldn't bring myself to go classic aircooled against those kind of cars.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But above £60k its a different market / buyer Bandit

Most are missing the point with this car, the market is still rising for 993's and there will always be outliers pushing the envelope but thats what helps to stimulate the market / maintain momentum.

I've said it above, exactly the same threads exist over the past 4 years when 4S first hit £50k, £60k, £70k, £80k etc.... Floor

There are maybe half a dozen 993 4S for sale in a year nowadays ie it only takes a handful of buyers who rightly or wrongly (as its subjective) that think the rare (only GT2, RS and Turbo S models are rarer) WB, NA, Manual, full leather, none rear spoiler, 4WD, Porsche (many are none porsche buyers but Ferrari / Porsche are classic staples nowadays) 4S is worth the money over other cars. The market is now firmly in the realms of those potential buyer already having newer, faster, more expensive, etc, etc, cars in their garage. So they are not comparing buying a 993 C4S against buying a 991 Judge
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might sell, but not at the list price, and never seen again.

I have heard that Paragon do not discount their cars ........ Dont know
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

madalaa wrote:
It might sell, but not at the list price, and never seen again.

I have heard that Paragon do not discount their cars ........ Dont know


Smoke and mirror technology will be applied and it'll get shifted through the dealer chain to create illusion it's sold.

If only the previous owner would shout up what price he traded it for.

George Dont know
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not on their website anymore. Surprised

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