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MrksD
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:30 am    Post subject: Buying advice Reply with quote

Hi all,
Thinking about buying this Porsche. What are everyone's initial thoughts?

Link: http://www.ashgood.co.uk/product/766/24-2009-porsche-997-2-c2-s-pdk-cabriolet-65k

I m looking to fulfill the dream to own a Porsche and at the same time have stable value over the years and hopefully use it as an investment.

Been looking around this forum for a bit. Has anybody made a checklist or summarised buyers guide for the GenII? I ve found quite a bit on the quality issues of the GenI but surely the GenII isn't just perfect Wink

Thanks for your help!

Markus

http://www.ashgood.co.uk/product/766/24-2009-porsche-997-2-c2-s-pdk-cabriolet-65k
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to 911uk

Ashgoods always have plenty of good looking stock and this seems like another nice one.

There have been odd reports of problems with Gen2 cars but generally they are considered to be a sound bet with no known 'issues'.

I can't see any 997 Carrera being an investment but (beyond the buyers premium you pay a dealer) they shouldn't go down in value much either.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems ok - reasonably priced.

There is this one too:

http://www.portiacraft.com/car-detail.php?id=2540

Much lower miles, but colour may not be to taste.

Gen 2 are solid cars.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome Smile

That does look like a really nice example of a gen 2 C2S.

They are indeed stronger than gen 1's. Early Gen 2's suffered PDK problems, but this has all been ironed out with software updates etc. VERY few early ones have isolated problems with oil usage/bore scoring. But its highly unusual.

Some do use oil, Some don't - it really does seem luck of the draw. Even if it does use oil it's mainly no cause for concern.

Porsche owners tend to be picky about paint, or defects in the paint. So many 911's have spent some time in body shops. Dealers are good at hiding paint defects under wax's, sealants and silicon products. But pay close attention to the side protector decals just forward of the rear arches...sometimes these get painted over. So a good indication its had paint.
Front bumpers, wings normally get a fettle. It's no biggy, and not enough to put you off a car - just make sure it's done to a quality you can live with Smile

It's got good history that car, apart from the last one. Which means most common problems will have been picked up at. Drive belts are to be inspected regularly, brake fluid every 2 years. Sometimes indy garages can miss the important parts of a porsche service.

Front coolant pipes are directed (bad design) through the front wheel arches, these can corrode and leak. It's normally something Porsche picks up on. But something to be mindful of when looking.

Brakes on the S's are painted red, just make sure all 4 disks look like they've got good life left in them. As you would viewing any car.

Options, Test them all out. The suspension button should harden the suspension and it shouldn't squeak! (common problem) If it has the sports exhaust, make sure it works. Again actuators can seize over time.

All the tyres should be P-Zero's. Although its no cause for concern if they aren't. Just they're quite soft - so negotiate a new set if they've a few mm left. They do tend to wear on the inner edges more. So stick your head right under!


There is a wealth of advice on this forum once you get to grips with it, Along with buyers guides on the internet.

This is a really good one

http://www.revolution-porsche.co.uk/buyers-guides/buying-a-used-porsche-997


As with buying any car, if it feels right - it more than likely is. If it worries you, walk away. Porsches can be expensive when they go wrong.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only thing I don't like is the interior!

Oh ok, hasn't got multi function steering whee, nor PSE, which are both very nice indeed IMO.

What actual mileage does it have? I would guess somewhere between 60 and 65k?

What do you intend to do with it? Keep it a year, or 2, or just keep it, and is it a daily driver or garage queen?
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing I can't let slip by is this:

"All the tyres should be P-Zero's."

No, really, no. Michelin, either Pilot Sport 2's if you want N rated, or super sports if you don't (its an OPC warranty thing). P Zeroes are awful.

Oh ok, one other thing, the service history is fine, independants are quite often better than an OPC (mine certainly is) and cheaper. Although my car has only been done by an OPC, because it has an OPC warranty, I will be using my specialist next time around.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So first thanks for all the quick and detailed responses!! Much appreciated.

I intend to use the vehicle as a second car. Weekend drives, the Odd trip to work when the weather is right or the gf is using our other car. Planning to hold on to it for as long as possible really. I currently own a Bmw 235i (I m used to getting abuse from my friends for this so fire away please....) but it doesn't really hold its value well and I have the means to upgrade.

Is it fair to say that I have to count 2k£ for yearly maintenance on average?

Do you recommend bringing a specialist along to professionally inspect?

Thanks for the revolution link. I had found that aswell and it was very useful as well as the article about 997s on EVO which has also some price guidelines for maintenance parts etc etc.

Thanks all

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An independent Pre Purchase Inspection (PPI) is normally recommended but it's worth being pretty certain you want to buy the car before spending out on one.

Sometimes the cost of the PPI can be recouped by the things they find as negotiation on price or getting the things fixed can be negotiated.

Given the types and volumes of cars that Ashgoods sell I'd hope that their warranty is pretty good too.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got mine from Ashgood two years ago (997.2 C2), Mike was good to deal with, answered lots of my questions face to face and over txt, got some bits sorted on the car for me and negotiated on price for some other bits I was happy to live with and fix later (refurb wheels etc)
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RedJedi wrote:
Seems ok - reasonably priced.

There is this one too:

http://www.portiacraft.com/car-detail.php?id=2540

Much lower miles, but colour may not be to taste.

Gen 2 are solid cars.


That's nice Thumb

Put a few Tequipment products on it (maybe) & it'll be a keeper for sure Thumb That's where my money would go in today's range.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so if it won't get used to much, higher (but not high) is fine, as in a few years it will be average or low mileage for year.

Is that Portiacraft car an S or not, I can't work it out........
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No the tail pipes give it away.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Went to see the car today.

It was a very pleasant experience. The guys at Ashgood were nice and took the time to go through everything. The car has some normal signs of wear and tear and it can be seen that it has been driven and that's exactly what I m buying it for aswell.

I think I will put a deposit in tomorrow.

Thanks for all the friendly advice on the forum. Will keep u posted.

M
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lovely car Thumb

Interesting that the previous owner has swapped the pcm unit for a pioneer.

It's the exact same one I have in my gen 1.

The pcm in a gen 2 has all the functions you need so, I wonder why it's been taken out and ask if it's available.

Good luck and enjoy it Thumb
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrksD wrote:
Went to see the car today.

It was a very pleasant experience. The guys at Ashgood were nice and took the time to go through everything. The car has some normal signs of wear and tear and it can be seen that it has been driven and that's exactly what I m buying it for aswell.

I think I will put a deposit in tomorrow.

Thanks for all the friendly advice on the forum. Will keep u posted.

M


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Picked up the car last weekend.

Here a picture. More to follow when I m back from my work trip. Did not even have a chance to drive it yet!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrksD wrote:
Picked up the car last weekend.

Here a picture. More to follow when I m back from my work trip. Did not even have a chance to drive it yet!

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Lovely car , I like the cocoa leather works well on a cab. Thumb
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:
MrksD wrote:
Picked up the car last weekend.

Here a picture. More to follow when I m back from my work trip. Did not even have a chance to drive it yet!

[img]


Lovely car , I like the cocoa leather works well on a cab. Thumb


Looks like savannah to me phil Very Happy

Lovely car btw
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alfaian wrote:
Phil 997 wrote:
MrksD wrote:
Picked up the car last weekend.

Here a picture. More to follow when I m back from my work trip. Did not even have a chance to drive it yet!

[img]


Lovely car , I like the cocoa leather works well on a cab. Thumb


Looks like savannah to me phil Very Happy

Lovely car btw


Think you might be right Ian mate, cocoa is darker . nice anyway whichever it is. Thumb Thumb
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I m also a big fan of this Color combination.

I ll post some more pics in a few weeks. Planning to drive down to the alps this summer. There should be opportunity for some good shots.

As was said above somewhere I would recommend buying with Ashgood. They have a friendly team and the whole buying experience was pleasant with them.

I m looking to get an inspection done during the next couple of months just for piece of mind. I m based in the midlands near Warwick. Can anybody recommend a place? There seems to be loads to choose from in the london and southern UK areas or Evolution which are further north towards Manchester.... would be nice to find a local place.

Thanks.

M
 
  
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