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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Whats the general rule of thumb with test driving the GT3's?

My local OPC had one in recently and they wouldn't let the buyer test drive it until he took possession of it. A symptom of how mileage sensitive they are I suppose...

I've been talking to friends tonight about the 997.2 GT3 and how it is on my list for some point in the future. I'm really not into the game of keeping mileage low for the sake of value as it goes against what the car is made for, so I think I'll benefit from a higher mileage car when I get round to getting one.

Best car I've ever driven bar none - 997.2 GT3RS. I imagine the standard GT3 isnt far behind. worship


I can sort of understand that, as poor as it sounds.

RS is quite a different feeling car though, lwfw and gearing define the drive, bit noisier inside with bigger tyres and plastic window. Both types are an event just depends what you’re reference point is.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Saw this sold at Coys this week - http://www.coys.co.uk/cars/2009-porsche-997-gt3-3-8-generation-ii

Nice car. Proxibid has it selling at £105k plus buyers premium of just under £15k, so maybe £120k all in. Good price for the seller I think, though no warranty I guess for the buyer.


That's a very nice "Comfort" spec car with Buckets and PCCB's but £120k for a non CS car without an Porsche warranty (or indeed any warranty) is big money. You could buy a CS from a reputable dealer like JZM or 911V for that.

Seller would have got mor going SOR too as They probably netted £90k


Well if the seller netted £90k or thereabouts surely SOR would have been better? While there seems to be a price spread on 997.2 gt3s it only seems to be the comfort cars without buckets that stick around.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Best car I've ever driven bar none - 997.2 GT3RS. I imagine the standard GT3 isnt far behind. worship


Very similar. The most noticeable differences are (a) the gearbox and single mass flywheel [the final drive is shorter and 6th gear ratio taller, meaning that while top ends up just a tiny bit shorter than the non-RS : the rest of the gen 2 RS box is very tangibly shorter and acceleration on full loud is consequently quicker] and (b) the range on a tank of fuel [shorter ratios and much more wing mean that at motorway speeds the RS runs out of fuel about 30-40 miles before the narrow bodied car]. The non-RS can do Calais to Barweiller (which is where you fill up with Ultimate 102 for the 'ring) without a fuel stop. The RS can't.

All of that downforce and extra tyre also makes the RSs a bit quicker for peak cornering speeds if driven by someone who knows what they are doing too, but it is under acceleration at corner exit that they benefit most over a chasing Clubsport.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disco wrote:
ragpicker wrote:

Best car I've ever driven bar none - 997.2 GT3RS. I imagine the standard GT3 isnt far behind. worship


Very similar. The most noticeable differences are (a) the gearbox and single mass flywheel [the final drive is shorter and 6th gear ratio taller, meaning that while top ends up just a tiny bit shorter than the non-RS : the rest of the gen 2 RS box is very tangibly shorter and acceleration on full loud is consequently quicker] and (b) the range on a tank of fuel [shorter ratios and much more wing mean that at motorway speeds the RS runs out of fuel about 30-40 miles before the narrow bodied car]. The non-RS can do Calais to Barweiller (which is where you fill up with Ultimate 102 for the 'ring) without a fuel stop. The RS can't.

All of that downforce and extra tyre also makes the RSs a bit quicker for peak cornering speeds if driven by someone who knows what they are doing too, but it is under acceleration at corner exit that they benefit most over a chasing Clubsport.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Senoj wrote:
ragpicker wrote:
Whats the general rule of thumb with test driving the GT3's?

My local OPC had one in recently and they wouldn't let the buyer test drive it until he took possession of it. A symptom of how mileage sensitive they are I suppose...

I've been talking to friends tonight about the 997.2 GT3 and how it is on my list for some point in the future. I'm really not into the game of keeping mileage low for the sake of value as it goes against what the car is made for, so I think I'll benefit from a higher mileage car when I get round to getting one.

Best car I've ever driven bar none - 997.2 GT3RS. I imagine the standard GT3 isnt far behind. worship


I can sort of understand that, as poor as it sounds.

RS is quite a different feeling car though, lwfw and gearing define the drive, bit noisier inside with bigger tyres and plastic window. Both types are an event just depends what you’re reference point is.


I don't think it's mileage related more likely to be the car was SoR with the OPC. That and they have to prep the cars etc which isn't cheap and a kerbed wheel or stone chip on a test drive is an expensive half hour.

"My" OPC is very good about test drives/giving you cars for the weekend etc but I know if they've got something like an RS in the showroom if the customer is known they'll given them a test drive but for someone they don't know it's a bit harder.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another 997.2 in at JZM:

https://www.jzmporsche.com/used-vehicle-details/Porsche-911-U1387/

Club sport, but lots of owners and given the exhaust, presumably no OPC warranty. No lift or carbons, though perhaps that's less to go wrong as it is a club sport. The brake disk in the picture looks a bit worn though.

I'm amazed at the price of the exhaust Surprised

Nice car for someone though.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

9005rm wrote:
Another 997.2 in at JZM:

https://www.jzmporsche.com/used-vehicle-details/Porsche-911-U1387/

Club sport, but lots of owners and given the exhaust, presumably no OPC warranty. No lift or carbons, though perhaps that's less to go wrong as it is a club sport. The brake disk in the picture looks a bit worn though.

I'm amazed at the price of the exhaust Surprised

Nice car for someone though.


Number of owners is irrelevant and no pccb's and no lift (which is realistically the only good reason to have a warranty) is a big bonus.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Won't that exhaust make it difficult for track day use? I've not heard one myself but have seen videos and they seem to be race car loud
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have this system fitted to my 997RS and yes they are probably too loud for most UK tracks. They are however TUV approved so road legal. Here is a little video to give an idea of how they sound with the Akrapovic system fitted:

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds fantastic. Are you still in mourning?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That sounds fantastic. Are you still in mourning?

It's still in my garage FZP, it will be collected around March. I also have a first choice buy back agreement Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kas750 wrote:
9005rm wrote:
Another 997.2 in at JZM:

https://www.jzmporsche.com/used-vehicle-details/Porsche-911-U1387/

Club sport, but lots of owners and given the exhaust, presumably no OPC warranty. No lift or carbons, though perhaps that's less to go wrong as it is a club sport. The brake disk in the picture looks a bit worn though.


Number of owners is irrelevant and no pccb's and no lift (which is realistically the only good reason to have a warranty) is a big bonus.
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You don't want lift or PCCB on a 997 Clubsport. While the ceramic disks last ages on the road, they have a decidedly shorter life on track and steel is much, much more cost effective (the pedal feel is different, but the braking system is sufficiently powerful that stopping power is tyre rather than brake limited on the GT3 - you don't need to listen to people who have read too much marketing either, but rather look at all of those 997 racing cars out there on steel rotors). As for the lift - while useful on a predominantly road use car, on 997s which are tracked extensively it has had an alarming tendency to fail expensively (kas750 above is very correct about it being a warranty justification).

The brake disks - what that tells you is that it has certainly seen track time but they certainly aren't spent yet (with stock drilled disks, the propagation of cracks from the vent holes dictate replacement on a track used car - you will bin them for that far before they wear too thin. Which is why the disks-of-choice tend to be non-drilled aftermarket alternatives such as Alcon, Performance Fiction or Brembo).

Number of owners isn't too important though - people often buy these, don't really use them much then move them on. Since a few years ago when the prices started going up instead of down there are also people buying them specifically not to use them. Warranty isn't that much of a biggie either - buy with the stock exhaust option and as long as it has a stamp in the book every other year you just pay the OPC for the 111 point check and warranty fee and you are there.

I am with kas750 and think it is a great car for someone. Though I am of course biased as exhaust aside it is very close indeed in spec to my one (even down to the colour).
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is another one, albeit not a club sport:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-gt3-997/2010-porsche-911-997-3-8-gt3--full-opc-service-history/8221115#/home

Many of the others online seem to have been around a while, though I expect they’ll shift as the season approaches. The car above seems good value compared to other well specced non CS cars.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having owned said car for the last year I can testify that it is absolutely perfect and wants for nothing, as has been mentioned before I specifically did not want PCCB or lift so was the ideal spec for me.

I had the exhaust fitted summer of last year and it is a thing of beauty not only the quality of workmanship but the noise, oh the noise!!! That's with the cats left on. There is a de cat option also which I'm told is absolutely hilarious.

It was never tracked in my ownership , just treated to a full Kamikaze ceramic detail and a few outings on warm dry days.

Had no intention of selling it but popped into see the guys at JZM recently and saw something that gave me the 'tingle' that I could not resist!! So can't really justify having them both.

The number of owners was a complete irrelevance also, if you want a low mile, gen2 clubsport they ain't exactly growing on trees!!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Had no intention of selling it but popped into see the guys at JZM recently and saw something that gave me the 'tingle' that I could not resist!! So can't really justify having them both.


Was it the 991 GT3 clubsport? Smile
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Had no intention of selling it but popped into see the guys at JZM recently and saw something that gave me the 'tingle' that I could not resist!! So can't really justify having them both.


Was it the 991 GT3 clubsport? Smile


It was yes, but not the white one, this one had literally just arrived and didn't make it onto there site.
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m119cars wrote:
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Had no intention of selling it but popped into see the guys at JZM recently and saw something that gave me the 'tingle' that I could not resist!! So can't really justify having them both.


Was it the 991 GT3 clubsport? Smile


It was yes, but not the white one, this one had literally just arrived and didn't make it onto there site.


That's good timing Smile Amazing how close the prices are between a 991 and a 997 clubsport considering their mileage.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The jzm clubbie looks a nice car, has the dual z lamps too. Altough a rally spec halogen in the high beam on the regular zenon is much better. I don’t think those discs look tracked at all. The OEM disc will start to crack in no time on a circuit those just look like lack of use which the owner on here seems to confirm?

4.5 k for the akra aint the best deal in the world but not bad and im sure there’s wiggle room. If you take the akra make sure to get the std exhaust too. The akra install should be mapped really i think. Interestingly when looking on the Akra site they dont list the full Evolution system for the 997 anymore, just the slip on centre box?

The chart suggests a fair bit of torque loss low down but makes it back in spades later on.
 



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