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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I hope the Silver MK1 in the picture is not my old one - nooo


Don't worry, it's not your old one Daniel. The owner was paid out & in another 996.1 CS within a few weeks. He's retained the salvage on the old girl but in truth it's not much more than the engine, box & interior. The story ended as well as it could in the circumstances Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't worry, it's not your old one Daniel. The owner was paid out & in another 996.1 CS within a few weeks. He's retained the salvage on the old girl but in truth it's not much more than the engine, box & interior. The story ended as well as it could in the circumstances Smile



That's good to hear Nick, what colour is the new beast? Pretty quick resolution and payout Thumb
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zanzibar. Right up your alley, Mike. On throttle bodies with a Motec M600 ECU. Intake noise is mental as it revs to 9200 Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds perfect, Nick!! Happy days, where on earth did he find that so quickly? Open throttle bodies will probably give a 'steppy' power curve, but who cares when they sound that good Grin

Top work by the owner, he is certainly well connected.... thumbsup
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He did say it gets to 5K and a fraction of a second later it's on the limiter in the lower gears; a real rev monster!

It's a UK car, actually been for sale under the radar for over a year. He called me about it when the money hit his account & we agreed he should at least go see it. Bought it after a test drive. HUGE bills for the build & the previous owner & engine builder are well known as good guys who know their stuff.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's just cheating.

Will need to add serious lead ballast to that car to make things fair.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's just cheating.

Will need to add serious lead ballast to that car to make things fair.


You could lead ballast the car all you want, he'd still be faster... Mr. Green
If you want to to slow him down, you'd need to lead ballast his shoes and take him for a swim in a very deep river .... Very Happy
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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LaSource wrote:
That's just cheating.

Will need to add serious lead ballast to that car to make things fair.


You could lead ballast the car all you want, he'd still be faster... Mr. Green
If you want to to slow him down, you'd need to lead ballast his shoes and take him for a swim in a very deep river .... Very Happy


I guess so. Where's the queue? Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting up to the first twitterings of the dawn chorus yesterday morning at 4.15 meant something pretty special had to be in the offing. In this case it meant experiencing the new owner's GT3 from the passenger seat, this whilst we drove around the best driving roads in N.Wales.

The car is a credit to it's previous owner, put simply, it's in superb condition, and the list of mods is far too long to list here. So I'll cut to the chase.

Forget all the b*ullshit superlatives you've read on forums, in Porsche magazines or seen in videos on Youtube (irrespective or the of whether the title contains "insane" or not) Rolling Eyes about modified, large capacity GT3 engines.

This is the real deal, one man's dream made reality, a genuine 500 normally aspirated horsepower shoehorned in to the back of a Mk1 996 GT3. The thick end of 4.3 litres of ITB'd, custom built flat six madness.

Early yesterday morning N.Wales was stunning, the hills and mountains bathed in sunshine, the temperatures warm and more importantly, the roads all but empty.

The usual Mk1 996 GT3 lazy starter motor solenoid greets the first turn of the key initially, but another attempt and the six pot masterpiece fires up. The overall impression is of standard Mk1 GT3 sound but inside the car at tickover the decibel count is marginally higher.

Moving off, the paddle clutch makes getting away tricky, add in the long duration, high lift cams, ultra lightweight flywheel, ITB's and mapping designed to to ensure that magical horsepower figure, and balancing throttle and clutch for a smooth getaway isn't for the faint hearted.

However once underway, the engine's character soon comes to the fore. The beautifully sculpted exhaust (the whole lot from cylinder head to exhaust tips is inconel and work of art in itself) is actually remarkably quiet (to ensure it'll satisfy the noise Nazis at pretty much any track in the UK) no, the most dominant and mellifluous sound in this flat six orchestra emanates from the ITB's. And what a noise !!!

Those of you that have experienced a 964 RS with a Cup pipe, decat and a drilled airbox at maximum revs, will have an insight into the sound I'm alluding to, this is THAT same sound, but turned up to 11...

The noise ramps up in stages, the resonances in the custom carbon air box (yep, you read that right) go from a rattling noise under load at low revs, to a roar that dominates proceedings above 5k rpm, but that's only the start. As the needle sweeps past 8k rpm, it does actually start to hurt your ears to a degree that makes you wonder if they'll start to bleed.....

If any of you have experienced a Mk1 GT3 fitted with a Manthey K400 engine upgrade, you'll know just how manic the rush to the 8000rpm redline from 6000rpm, is. It's deeply impressive, but it's not a patch on this engine. The torque and horsepower above 5k rpm have to be felt to be believed. It is SO strong, there's absolutely no sign of the top end breathlessness whatsoever, it just pulls cleanly and incredibly strongly all the way to 9k rpm without a hint of duress.

The 996 chassis (even fettled to the degree this car has been) struggles to contain the pent up ball of fury lurking under the engine cover. Put bluntly, the Cup 2's and a Cup diff have their work cut out.

Speeds which require commitment to reach on the road in any 996 or 997 GT3, are easily attained in the bat of an eyelid in the slippery Mk1 shell with 500hp at its disposal.

Rest assured, this isn't a chassis/engine combination for the inexperienced. The new owner kindly offered me a stint behind the wheel. I declined on this occasion, but if he offers again, I will take him up on his generous offer when we find ourselves on wider, better sighted, more open roads.....

The result of one man's dream and his subsequent dedication to endowing the 996 chassis with levels of naturally aspirated horsepower its manufacturers could only have dreamed of when the car was first built in 1999, have produced a masterpiece.
The new owner is a very lucky individual (and I'm both deeply appreciative, not to mention lucky, to have the opportunity to experience the car from the passenger seat) but he's also one of a select few Porsche owning individuals I know, who's genuinely worthy of owning such a car. Rest assured, the car will be driven as it creators intended.

And an apt picture from yesterday (not photo shopped or staged)



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just brilliant! worship


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Those of you that have experienced a 964 RS with a Cup pipe, decat and a drilled airbox at maximum revs, will have an insight into the sound I'm alluding to, this is THAT same sound, but turned up to 11...
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As ever Slippydiff an eloquent write up that conveys what an itb'd engine sounds like; immense, with instant aural gratification guaranteed! Six cylinders only adds to the pleasure (though an 1800 BDA in the front of an Escort rasping through the forests is a close second), what a sound.

500 horsepower in N/A form must be bonkers in a 996 chassis.... How on earth did you have the self control to say 'no' to a drive?? Grin

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DynoMike wrote:
As ever Slippydiff an eloquent write up that conveys what an itb'd engine sounds like; immense, with instant aural gratification guaranteed! Six cylinders only adds to the pleasure (though an 1800 BDA in the front of an Escort rasping through the forests is a close second), what a sound.

500 horsepower in N/A form must be bonkers in a 996 chassis.... How on earth did you have the self control to say 'no' to a drive?? Grin

Looking forward to more updates as and when.


Thank you for the kind words Mike.
I'm sure the new owner will again be generous enough to allow me the opportunity to drive the car on roads I'm more familiar with.

Suffice to say the powerplant works the chassis very hard, and you can feel it in no uncertain terms.... The owner previously had a 3.9 litre 445hp Mk 1 996 GT3 that I've driven, it felt pretty tame compared with this car.
This car runs 3 way adjustable JRZ's which are set up primarily for track use, whereas the 3.9 engined car had a set of Ohlins 3 ways which I'd lent him. they were specced solely for road use and had spring rates very close to those of the standard car, those allied to the superlative damping of the Ohlins made for am easier steer on the road. That's not to say there's anything wrong with the JRZ's damping (it felt every bit as good as the Ohlins) merely that the high spring rates of the JRZ's slightly compromised its usability for road use.

I've owned a couple of 996 GT2's in the past, one standard, one with a map and Ruf exhaust. This car felt every bit as quick as the mapped and exhausted car...
Clearly this car sounds better than any roadgoing Turbo Porsche courtesy of this and what's within :



 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's not to say there's anything wrong with the JRZ's damping (it felt every bit as good as the Ohlins) merely that the high spring rates of the JRZ's slightly compromised its usability for road use.


The owner & I have discussed his spring rates. He's actually running virtually the same front rate as I did for many years along with a softer rear than I do. Road comfort / compliance can be adjusted on the dampers to some degree but it takes a while to work out the right settings. I recently switched out my front springs for slightly softer ones because a recent damper rebuild had highlighted a braking problem on marginal / bumpy surfaces with the increased power of the 380mm Alcons. I have advised the owner to look into altering the spring balance as his current setup as it has too little difference in rates front to rear imo.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Daniel wrote:
I hope the Silver MK1 in the picture is not my old one - nooo


Don't worry, it's not your old one Daniel. The owner was paid out & in another 996.1 CS within a few weeks. He's retained the salvage on the old girl but in truth it's not much more than the engine, box & interior. The story ended as well as it could in the circumstances Smile


Not a Clubsport. Though has a Clubsport cage (which has been gusseted and welded in beautifully)
 
  
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NXI20 wrote:
Daniel wrote:
I hope the Silver MK1 in the picture is not my old one - nooo


Don't worry, it's not your old one Daniel. The owner was paid out & in another 996.1 CS within a few weeks. He's retained the salvage on the old girl but in truth it's not much more than the engine, box & interior. The story ended as well as it could in the circumstances Smile


Not a Clubsport. Though has a Clubsport cage (which has been gusseted and welded in beautifully)


So no functional difference then Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slippydiff wrote:
DynoMike wrote:
As ever Slippydiff an eloquent write up that conveys what an itb'd engine sounds like; immense, with instant aural gratification guaranteed! Six cylinders only adds to the pleasure (though an 1800 BDA in the front of an Escort rasping through the forests is a close second), what a sound.

500 horsepower in N/A form must be bonkers in a 996 chassis.... How on earth did you have the self control to say 'no' to a drive?? Grin

Looking forward to more updates as and when.


Thank you for the kind words Mike.
I'm sure the new owner will again be generous enough to allow me the opportunity to drive the car on roads I'm more familiar with.

Suffice to say the powerplant works the chassis very hard, and you can feel it in no uncertain terms.... The owner previously had a 3.9 litre 445hp Mk 1 996 GT3 that I've driven, it felt pretty tame compared with this car.
This car runs 3 way adjustable JRZ's which are set up primarily for track use, whereas the 3.9 engined car had a set of Ohlins 3 ways which I'd lent him. they were specced solely for road use and had spring rates very close to those of the standard car, those allied to the superlative damping of the Ohlins made for am easier steer on the road. That's not to say there's anything wrong with the JRZ's damping (it felt every bit as good as the Ohlins) merely that the high spring rates of the JRZ's slightly compromised its usability for road use.

I've owned a couple of 996 GT2's in the past, one standard, one with a map and Ruf exhaust. This car felt every bit as quick as the mapped and exhausted car...
Clearly this car sounds better than any roadgoing Turbo Porsche courtesy of this and what's within :







With an installation as tidy as that, I'm guessing there is only one place that the car could have been built..... FS worship
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With an installation as tidy as that, I'm guessing there is only one place that the car could have been built..... FS worship


Good guess but actually, not a FS build. Lovely attention to detail & a credit to the builder Thumb
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The replacement sounds fabulous and it is always nice to see a proper GT3 996 i.e. one that is driven and has been improved and modified. There are too many garage queens with owners worrying about its value verses mileage Thumb Thumb

Would NXI20 happen to know if the old motor has its original cage for sale assuming it had one of course. I want to do exactly the same and get an OEM cage welded in so that mine is worth two pence and I can write it off without worry.

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NXI20 wrote:
DynoMike wrote:
With an installation as tidy as that, I'm guessing there is only one place that the car could have been built..... FS worship


Good guess but actually, not a FS build. Lovely attention to detail & a credit to the builder Thumb



^^ Seconded Nick. The chap obviously knows his onions by the look of the engine installation pics. Has Matt been cloned Question Grin
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Love that write up SlippyDiff. What a car Thumb
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