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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fingers crossed.





The very pleasant chap who picked it up couldn't believe it was 21 years old - he couldn't find a single mark anywhere on it to list on his sheet.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guess who left his wallet in the door pocket of his 911 because he was worried about a strange noise and forgot his normal routine?

In (ahem) unrelated news I can reveal that a C55 estate on winter tyres does not handle exactly like a 911 when driven fast in the countryside.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a strange way it looks good on the trailer!

I hope it’s nothing to serious. Unless it moves your engine upgrade plans forward?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FIngers crossed it's a stuck lifter, from the car being parked for a while.

If it's not that, then well - I'll cross that bridge when it hoves into view.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Results are in: leaking exhaust manifold gasket, correctly diagnosed (AKA guessed based on a wealth of knowledge) by DynoMike and confirmed this morning by Precision taking the manifolds off.

Apparently the sealing surface is not great, so they're going to see if a new gasket does the trick, if not the mating surface will need to be machined flat.

I will admit to a feeling of relief.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BBI Autosport sent me a note, "I am very sorry to hear that you are unhappy with the shipping costs and ordering experience! We understand the higher costs that are associated with international orders and do our best to keep the costs down by negotiating with our carriers for the best possible rates."

They charged $150, which is interesting as for me, a member of the public without a trade account, nor volume to offer as leverage for a discount, can send a 10kg package to BBI Autosport's address in the US for $50, via air-freight, in 3-4 days.

Is shipping things from the US three times as expensive as shipping things too the US? I'm open to it being possible - what say you 911UK?

The other annoyance is that in their note they say that they'll likely ship the seat base this coming Monday, so they've taken four days to get the box off the shelf, stick a label on it and hand it to a courier. Maybe the $100 extra is actually $25/day for them to move the package from the warehouse to the courier pickup desk.

A 100% spot-on, fantastic experience already, and I've not got the base yet. Bet it doesn't fit the seat, or they send me one for a Camaro.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dammit wrote:
Results are in: leaking exhaust manifold gasket, correctly diagnosed (AKA guessed based on a wealth of knowledge) by DynoMike and confirmed this morning by Precision taking the manifolds off.


Have you had the manifolds off before, any broken studs? Good to know they got them off ok.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dammit wrote:


The Profi SPG is the same shell that was used in the 968-CS, the 993 RSR - and as the GT3 was a '99 production run, if the car was specified with a drivers bucket seat it couldn't be the cobra-headed Recaro that went into the GT3. It had to be the older, ribbed-shell Profischale.



Not sure you're quite right there. 968 CS came with the same seats as the 964 RS Lightweight (I have owned both) and 993 RS. These are closer to the Recaro Pole Position, though not identical, and there were two versions, one with a solid seat cushion, and one with sprung webbing under the seat cushion. They were trimmed in leather on the 964 and 993 RS but fabric for the 968 CS. The 964 RS Clubsport and Cup cars (and most likely the 993 RSR) came with the Profi SPG seat, trimmed in Nomex, and is a fair bit narrower than the Pole Position and 964 RS Lightweight version.
I don't think I've ever seen a GT3 with anything other than the "regular" GT3 bucket, but I stand to be corrected.
Regardless, they are all excellent seats, just be aware that the narrowness of the Profi SPG (unless you go for the XL version) can be a bit uncomfortable for long journeys as you can't wriggle about much (and I'm only 5'8" and 10 stone), which I guess is why they didn't put them in the regular road cars, only the race versions.

ETA I had Profi SPG in my old 964 C2 and they were fine for me, but I wouldn't want them in a road-only car - would go for Pole Pos (which I have in my Cayman), but they're great for a track car.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My understanding, which may be wrong, is that the 964 had the Profischale P1:



With the rounded, multiple ribs that centre on the lower back:



And these had two versions of the base, one for road use, the other for a harness - hence the trampoline base or not.

The seats changed slightly for the 993, moving to this style of rib:



And could be ordered from Porsche with the crest:



And now called the Profischale SPG rather than the Profischale P1:



My apologies - you're quite right that the 968 shared the seats with the 964, rather than the 993, note the rib pattern:



I think that the bucket seat available to order from an OPC, May 1997, would have been the Porsche-Recaro Profischale SPG, and so that's what I'm going for in my car (albeit a 2019 produced Profi SPG "backdated" with an embroidered Porsche crest).

I may have got the above totally wrong, it's based on what I've found in the internet - I've never owned a 964 RS, 968 CS, or 993 RSR.

The point about the GT3 is that it didn't exist in '97, so it's seats could not have been ordered for my car, but the 993/Profi SPG seats did exist, and therefore could be ordered. Not that a GT3 ever came with the Profi's.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I may come to regret the narrowness of the SPG, of course - I went and sat in one and I do fit, but it was tight. It's closer to OEM than the Pole Position, an element of my obsession that I may come to regret if it's really uncomfortable, of course!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All getting a bit "specialist" here ! I think your photos are not nec in the right chronological order. Look at the shape of the top of the headrests for clues.

I've never seen a 964 RS with the trampoline base - I think these only came in with the 993 and later 968 CS.

The seat with the crest is the one that came in the 964 Cup and 964 RS Clubsport and is the narrower SPG with the squarer top to the headrest. The textured material on the wings also changed over time - I think that is a really early version from a Cup Car c. 1990 (ie pre the 964 RS) also lacking the plastic trim-ring around the lap-belt slots - you can see the fabric has come unglued.

Not sure what the seats on the pool table are - not seen that ribbing before, and given the square top to the head-rest, they don't look like the regular 964/993 RS seat - my guess is that they are the narrower SPG type again.

I've also never seen any version of these seats in anything later than a 993.

This is all from my own observations of cars I've owned and others I've nosed round over the years.

Either way if you're going for a Profi SPG it's narrow. If that's what you want, then go for it, it's a very good seat !
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hard to see in these pictures (I'll try to find some better ones) but you can just about see that these seats don't have the rib pattern of the 964 RS ones:

https://hexagonclassics.com/cars/1995-porsche-993-factory-rs-club-sport/

They (I believe) match the ones on the pool table.

I hadn't figured on the cup/clubsport cars having a different type of seat than the RS and RSR.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And, there are also this style, and I'm not entirely sure where they fit:


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually they might be Speedster seats, looking at this:


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I may be straying into speculation here, but I don't think the yellow 993 Clubbie has the correct seats. To me they look like seats from a 968 CS. The Clubsport cars (I think) only came with one seat for starters, and it was generally the nomex-covered SPG. The fabric on those 993 seats look like the cloth from the 968 CS (which I believe was exclusive to that model).

The fully black leather seats look like the yellow backed ones in the 968 pic. If you look carefully at the picture, I don't think you can see the lower "X" bracing lower down the seat back, though it could just be the angle of the picture.

I checked old pics of my 964 RS and they were def like the very first picture you posted (as were my 968 CS seats).

If I had to hazard a guess, the seats without the X brace are the slightly later model from later 968 CS and 993 RS with the trampoline base.

that still leaves me stumped as to what the ones on the pool table are.....


ETA - Speedster could be a good shout - pretty sure they were trampoline based too.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this is all getting hugely confused by 25 years of people taking seats out and putting them in different cars, then trying to claim originality !

looking more carefully at the pictures (partic side of passenger seat) I don't think the yellow 993 Clubbie seats have the lower X brace, so look more like the yellow 968 seats, which backs up my theory that they are not the right seats for the car.......
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jamie Summers wrote:
I think this is all getting hugely confused by 25 years of people taking seats out and putting them in different cars, then trying to claim originality !


I 100% agree with this.

Ultimately I'm not sure, but I think I'm certain enough that I'm happy that the choice I've made is consistent with the rest of the car.

On a different note, I have been thinking of going to the 17" Fuchs, what do people think they'll look like, good, bad?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Photoshop!

Do they not make 18” wheels?
I think black Fuchs with the petals/rims in silver would look lovely on your car. BTW your cars side profile on the trailer looks set on. Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A very personal choice, but to my eyes the silver petal Fuchs just don't look right on a "modern". I think they need to be black centred with anodized / diamond-cut rim, and ideally with a nice amount of dish on the rears.

I have the Group 4 Fuchs reps in 18" on mine and think they look great. My C2 is road-only, so I'm not bothered that they're fairly heavy.

Are there any available in 17" with the right sort of offset ?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZM sell them in 17" at the correct offsets, 205 fronts and 255 rears.

Bit spendy, although not too bad - although JZM do the number one thing that winds me up which is to quote a price, then reveal that they need to add VAT right at the end of the discussion/when you are about to order, which frankly makes me want to buy from someone else.
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