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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:45 pm    Post subject: Hartech Engine rebuild and all good again Reply with quote

As some of you maybe read last year I had some serious oil pressure issues with my car, I also had a lot of metal fragments in my oil filter, I had only had the car a few months before noticing this, I bought the car without a proper inspection etc so you pay your money and take your chance, I thought the car was cheap enough that's why I didn't get the PPI done.

After some thought I decided I was going to keep the car and get the engine rebuilt, the car went down to Hartech for the rebuild as my thoughts were if I'm spending good money on a rebuild I want it done by a company that specialise in this and I know myself its done right and I'm not waiting on something else engine wise letting go.

Anyway I have to say Grant at Hartech was excellent to deal with, everything from collection right through to delivery of my car was effortless, I've done a few miles with the car now just running it in but already it feels totally different but that was probably more to do with a few underlying problem that Grant and his team had to deal with.

Again if anyone finds thereself in the same position as me, the first thing I did was a little research into second hand engines but most are around 100k which I'm led to believe is rebuild territory, I then started looking about various garages/companies to see what my options were regarding a rebuild in the end I went with Hartech after speaking with Grant. If anyone is in this position I personally would recommend Hartech highly
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to hear that everything has been sorted with the Engine, all that leaves now is for you to enjoy driving your 911.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to ask Locosaki...
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah just a case of driving it and enjoying it now.

Dermot, thanks for the help and advice on previous posts hopefully now I shouldn't have any major issues.

Cost wise, there are lots of variations as to what can be done and what needs done, Hartechs website is a good indication of costs but mine needed a crank over and above getting it rebuilt.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did Hartech provide a used crank, or did you have to buy a new one?
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah Hartech provided the crank, not sure on costs of new crank but if they can still be had I'd imagine they'd be quite a few thousand pounds.

At this stage I went with the newer style IMS set up from the newer car, not quite sure on the ins and outs but that's what I had done, quite sure someone with more knowledge could elaborate more.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hartech will upgrade the original ims bearing to the later final 997 design by modifying the ims sprocket and spigot to accommodate it.

Peace of mind that your new rebuilt engine will not go pop due to the smaller bearing.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think new cranks are around 3k. My car is at Hartech at the moment, and I'm hoping it won't need one!
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The potential need for a crank etc is why I have been thinking of having the rebuild done at 80,000 miles (on 62,000 right now) hopefully with the engine running healthily at that point- my goal being to only require replacement of the consumables as it were, albeit that that includes the cylinder barrels.

Using advanced man maths this makes things cheaper by avoiding a larger expense- which might never come, of course.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What sort of cost are you looking at for a "refresh" at 80k miles? What is the potential saving if it was the "worst case" failure scenario?

Its not really a bad idea, especially if you can combine it with things such as clutch, water pump, spark/coil packs, tandem pump etc
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too would be very interested in this: it does make sense, but only at the right price (and engine size Grin ).
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you think about price I don't think it does make finical sense to fix a 10k car with a 10k rebuild but then again someone has to do it.

I'd imagine a fair few people would end up breaking the car ( I gave it serious consideration) if this does turn out to be the case then a good one will be harder to come by, that was the logic behind my thinking
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All prices are here: https://www.hartech.org/rebuild-prices

But at a guestimate, if you send the car to them and they do a full engine strip, replace all seals, gaskets, etc. New oil & filter, road test (the full monty on just a strip and rebuild) & also add on crankshaft bearing set, stronger IMS spindle and (normal) bearing with seals removed & timing chain set you're looking in the region of just shy of £5k including VAT.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My plan was to do the above but also go to 3.7 litres, as I'd be having the barrels replaced anyway.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dammit wrote:
My plan was to do the above but also go to 3.7 litres, as I'd be having the barrels replaced anyway.


Budget £12k then.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Significantly less than that was what I was told on the phone- however the 3.7 litre offering isn't yet signed off so this is all subject to change.

At 5,000 miles/year I've got plenty of time for Hartech to finalise things.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Base Engine Rebuild (Car & Engine): £3500 + VAT

Option d) 6 x New Cylinders: £2500 + VAT

6 x New Piston: From £169 + VAT (From £1014 + VAT)

New Latest Design Porsche Intermediate Shaft: From £750 + VAT
(no brainer if you're going up to 3.7)

New Crank Shaft Bearing Set: From £120 + VAT

New Timing Chain Set: From £222 + VAT

Total - (from) £8,106 + VAT = £9,727


I'm assuming here that everything needed for a 3.7 is the cost on their website, although I'd have thought some price increase on those base costs. Dont know

As I said - budget £12k. Once you've had a new clutch and flywheel fitted whilst they're in there and a new AOS + any other stuff they'll recommend (as the originals will be jiggered) then £12k will be in the right ball park.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well that's me 2k in on the rebuilt engine and what I was told would have it run in, I had my last 200 miles to do yesterday so took the day off and went for a blast round some cracking roads around Lochearn head, Killin which is not far from Perth.

Apart from one problem the first 2k have been problem free so long may this continue, to be fair the problem I had was with evap set up and not engine related really.

Today I dropped the oil and filter and moved over to miller's 10/50, I opened up the oil filter out of curiosity as the last time it looked like a glitter ball, today there was absolutely nothing too see.

I have to say that in the time I had the car before the rebuild it wasn't what I would class as impressive power wise but now it goes well and I also now don't have the fear of something going bang when pushing on a bit.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:14 pm    Post subject: Hartech. Reply with quote

From what I understand , the cost of a precautionary rebuild, that people have mentioned is in the region of £10k. Obviously could be more dependent on what is required. Some people have said that around the 80k is a good point, but its a lot of money if your car is running faultlessly at 80k. Tough decision really. Question
 
  
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