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nigel99
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:59 pm    Post subject: Anyone changing for a beemer? Reply with quote

I popped into Sytner BMW in Maidenhead yesterday with a friend. In the customer parking area was a GT3, a Targa 4S and my C2S!

I sat in a new M3 and was very disappointed. It felt very cheap inside. The steering wheel felt very foamy, like a bad repair job and I was worried the multi-function buttons would fall off if I pressed to hard.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone changing for a beemer? Reply with quote

nigel99 wrote:
I popped into Sytner BMW in Maidenhead yesterday with a friend. In the customer parking area was a GT3, a Targa 4S and my C2S!

I sat in a new M3 and was very disappointed. It felt very cheap inside. The steering wheel felt very foamy, like a bad repair job and I was worried the multi-function buttons would fall off if I pressed to hard.


I've got an M3 as a daily driver and was recently considering a new M4 competition pack.

Also having a fully loaded 997.2 turbo I am a bit surprised that you felt the M3 felt low rent. Would have thought a new M3 would have made your C2S feel low rent rather than the other way around.

I certainly wasn't dissspointed by the interior.

Having also owner various Aston Martins from new would have thought I would have been able to spot a low rent interior from a mile away 😂😂




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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone changing for a beemer? Reply with quote

nigel99 wrote:
I popped into Sytner BMW in Maidenhead yesterday with a friend. In the customer parking area was a GT3, a Targa 4S and my C2S!

I sat in a new M3 and was very disappointed. It felt very cheap inside. The steering wheel felt very foamy, like a bad repair job and I was worried the multi-function buttons would fall off if I pressed to hard.


I do like the new turbo charged engine of the F series M3/4. BMW have clearly taken measures to keep the wieght down, unfortunately the build quality has suffered. For instanace I remember opening the bonnet admiring the engine and by chance my eyes meandered around the engine bay I noticed the underside of the bonnet and bay hasn't even been painted properly, lacquer skipped.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love my Dakar V8, I am a big fan of the M3 !!


 
  
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Alfaian
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like the M3 but it's not in the same league as a 911.

The Porsche hasn't got a league imo.

911 - ballerina

M3 - Motörhead

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alfaian wrote:
Like the M3 but it's not in the same league as a 911.

The Porsche hasn't got a league imo.

911 - ballerina

M3 - Motörhead

Laughing


Of course they are not as good as most 911's (although they will show some NA's a clean pair of heels) but they are great value for money and a great daily.

Mine is a jack of all trades master of none, and I like that Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone changing for a beemer? Reply with quote

solaris wrote:
nigel99 wrote:
I popped into Sytner BMW in Maidenhead yesterday with a friend. In the customer parking area was a GT3, a Targa 4S and my C2S!

I sat in a new M3 and was very disappointed. It felt very cheap inside. The steering wheel felt very foamy, like a bad repair job and I was worried the multi-function buttons would fall off if I pressed to hard.


I do like the new turbo charged engine of the F series M3/4. BMW have clearly taken measures to keep the wieght down, unfortunately the build quality has suffered. For instanace I remember opening the bonnet admiring the engine and by chance my eyes meandered around the engine bay I noticed the underside of the bonnet and bay hasn't even been painted properly, lacquer skipped.


BMW have not lacquered interior engine paint for many years, none of my M cars had lacquered engine bays.

I did go to a super car event on Easter Sunday morning and there was a brand new M4 convertible being hammered on the rev limiter, it sounded crap, in fact it was embarrassing. As a complete and utter contrast the 911R thathat was their sounded sublime.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A BMW is an "in addition to" car to a 911, not an "instead of" one.

[Yes, my other car is a 3 series]
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone changing for a beemer? Reply with quote

jonttt wrote:

I did go to a super car event on Easter Sunday morning and there was a brand new M4 convertible being hammered on the rev limiter, it sounded crap, in fact it was embarrassing. As a complete and utter contrast the 911R that was their sounded sublime.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disco wrote:
A BMW is an "in addition to" car to a 911, not an "instead of" one.

[Yes, my other car is a 3 series]


Exactly this- the current m3 is a great car! It's half the price of a well specified
911. A great package in my opinion, will probably be my next daily when the used market hits £30k ish
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to be a BMW nut and would have been a life long buyer. I have owned 325,328, 330, M3, 4.4X5, 4.8IS X5.
Had a nightmare with the 4.8....1 week out of warranty and the suspension gave up. To cut short, 12 weeks in the garage and 5.5K later, still had a car with suspension problems. Got rid, lost a packet and vowed never to return to the brand. I still can't believe how badly treated we were!
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bit spoiled when it comes to 911s, but have to say that I do love my M5 CompetitionPack daily driver every bit as much. Plush Luxo Barge/ looney machine all in one package.
 



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But should add, I could never not have a 911 in the garage.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see why anyone would want an M car -The longer I've owned it the more I love driving my 1M- it would be difficult for me to part with it.....



I'd love an E90 M3- but whether I'd choose one over a 997 is a different matter.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alan Laing wrote:
Bit spoiled when it comes to 911s, but have to say that I do love my M5 CompetitionPack daily driver every bit as much. Plush Luxo Barge/ looney machine all in one package.


Nearly bought a 2016 M5 last week but decided against it as after a long test drive found it a bit too big and heavy.

Also after the 997.2 turbo the performance felt underwhelming.

Now thinking of an M4 competition pack of a new Golf R with a 400bhp REVO map.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nearly bought a 2016 M5 last week but decided against it as after a long test drive found it a bit too big and heavy.

Also after the 997.2 turbo the performance felt underwhelming.

Now thinking of an M4 competition pack of a new Golf R with a 400bhp REVO map.[/quote]

I was like that when I first got mine, took a few weeks to jell with it. Now it doesn't feel boat size big, it feels big but chuckable.
Was advised I had to get the Competition Model, not huge difference in Hp.
But apparently lots of other changes..
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When talking about build quality/reliability, lets not forget those of us who spent very good money to drive an M96/97 996/997 and whose engines let us down, regular replacements of poorly protected coil packs & tandem pumps, our fragile cabin air vents packed in, our air con condensers failed prematurely etc. Failure to "lacquer" the engine bay is a minor issue.
 
  
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DucatiRob
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GARY S wrote:
When talking about build quality/reliability, lets not forget those of us who spent very good money to drive an M96/97 996/997 and whose engines let us down, regular replacements of poorly protected coil packs & tandem pumps, our fragile cabin air vents packed in, our air con condensers failed prematurely etc. Failure to "lacquer" the engine bay is a minor issue.


Agree 100% with this! I love my 911 but build quality of many parts is below what you would expect from a Porsche! My 11 year old CLK with 120k on the clock has only needed an intercooler hose in the 6 years I've had it. Yes it's a very different car but not one rattle and the interior is the same as the day I had it with only 30k on the clock!

The M3 is a great car Thumb
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have two M3's Thumb e46 track car and e92 daily.

The F80 saloon comp pack i test drove was a stunner, very easy to live with i would have thought, fast enough...lots to like. Except the depreciation..

I ended buying a lowish miles e92 which has already done most of its dough but has loads of life in it yet. Build quality is nice, cant really fault it. Its comfortable enough for mega miles and i just had to have a 8k redline Nasp V8 in my life for a little while at least. Fuel economy be damned!

Mr Fett, that dakar cab is a stunner Thumb im not a cabriolet fan personally but thats a looker.
 



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alan Laing wrote:
But should add, I could never not have a 911 in the garage.


Yes. That would be hard to do.
 
  
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