Welcome to 911UK
The only place for Porsche, 911uk is the definitive enthusiast and resource site for the Porsche 911.
Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free, so join up today for full access to the site and benefit from latest member offers.

Porsche Classifieds
Porsche Buyers Guides
Sell Your Porsche on 911uk
Create a Free Classified Advert
Search Ads
Classified Adverts FAQ
Trade Classified Information
Buyer & Seller Fraud Protection
Pre Purchase Inspection (PPI)
Porsche Car Sourcing
Porsche Cars Wanted
Model
Stock
Porsche 911
991 : 2011- 5
997 : 2004- 71
996 : 1997-2005 50
993 : 1993-1998 10
964 : 1989-1993 2
Carrera 3.2 : 1983-1989 0
Carrera SC : 1977-1983 0
930 Turbo : 1975-1989 0
Early 911 : 1964-1977 2
Porsche Other Models
Classic : 1950-1965 1
Boxster : 1997- 13
Cayman : 2005- 12
Cayenne : 2003- 11
Macan : 2014- 2
Panamera : 2009- 2
912-914-924-928-944-968 4
959 - CarreraGT - RaceCar 1
Car Parts For Sale & Wanted
Other Items For Sale & Wanted
Wheels Tyres For Sale & Wanted
Number Plates For Sale Wanted

Porsche Services
Porsche Body Shop Repair
Paint Protection & Body Wrapping
Porsche Classic Insurance
Porsche Classic Parts
Porsche Classic Restoration
Porsche Design Collection
Porsche Engine Gearbox Rebuild
Porsche Heritage & History
Porsche News
Porsche Picture Gallery
Win a New Porsche 911

Porsche Parts
Body Parts, Body Styling
Brakes, Clearance
Electrical, Exhausts
Engine Cooling, Engine Electrical
Engine Rebuild, Heating Cooling
Interior Incar, Lighting
Rubber Seals, Service Parts
Steering, Suspension
Transmission, Workshop Tools
Early 911, 911 - 930, 928 - 968
964 - 993, 996 - 997, Boxster
Cayman, Cayenne, Panamera

Porsche Model Range
911 [991] 2011-Current
Porsche 911 [991]
911 [997] 2004-Current
Porsche 911 [997]
911 [GT] GT1-GT2-GT3
Porsche 911 [GT]
911 [996] 1997-2005
Porsche 911 [996]
911 [993] 1993-1998
Porsche 911 [993]
911 [RS] RS-RSR
Porsche 911 [RS]
911 [964] 1989-1993
Porsche 911 [964]
911 3.2 1983-1989
Porsche 911 3.2 Carrera
911 SC 1977-1983
Porsche 911 SC
911 [Early] 1964-1977
Porsche 911 [Early]
Boxster & Cayman
Porsche Boxster & Cayman
Cayenne & Panamera
Porsche Cayenne & Panamera

911uk Site Partners

Post new topic   Reply to topic
Author Message
phil84afc
Silverstone


Joined: 24 Feb 2010
Posts: 114
Location: Fleet


PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:40 pm    Post subject: 996 GT3 vs 997 GT3 Reply with quote

Hello chaps,

Looking for some advice on the above if possible, as I'm seriously contemplating selling my cars (and adding some cash) to make the above happen but have never owned a "hardcore" Porsche before. I know the Metzger engines are amazing and it will only be used as a toy (maybe the odd cross continent trip) but what are they like to actually live with?

Clearly there is a difference in power and internal build quality between the 996 and 997 but there is also a price difference of the thick end of £20k between the two and I'm wondering if anyone has opinions on bang for your buck on these models. I have seen a few £65k-£70k 996s that look great but would love anyone's opinion that owns 1 (or even owned both) to point me in the right direction. Is a 996 GT3 all you'll ever need or is there a big difference between the 2 types?

I specifically want a GT3, the appeal of bonkers power in a turbo doesn't appeal to me as I want a manual N/A car to keep for a long time, mileage unimportant.

Thanks in advance thumbsup
_________________
Sold 986 Boxster
Sold 986 Boxster S
Sold 996 C4S
Sold 986 Boxster S
Sold 987 Boxster S
987.2 Cayman S / 205 1.9 GTi
 
  
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
   
Diggermeister
Spa-Francorchamps


Joined: 26 May 2015
Posts: 274



PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you watch this video all the way through, it gives some very good insight and opinion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSh5XEBf83E

It is, at least, a start and a good one at that. Others with more knowledge will no doubt arrive shortly. Very Happy

I know the square root of **** all as I drive a turbo.
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
NXI20
Approved Trader


Joined: 02 Feb 2008
Posts: 3229
Location: South Bucks

2004 Porsche 996 GT3 Mk2

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The answer is that it all depends!

It depends on what you are comfortable with in terms of the effort required to drive it - the 996 requires more concentration and is a more raw & unfiltered drive than the 997 which is a softer car more suited to road driving with more refinement & a bit less involvement. Having said that, I've done 125K miles in my 996 and only a small fraction of that in my 997 so you can see where my bias lies...

The 997 is a more refined package, of that there's no doubt. It comes with TC & PSM and switchable damping none of which was even available on the 996. Looks is another thing that polarises opinion and may be important to you. The cabin in the 996 is pretty dated & basic compared to the plusher 997 if that sort of thing is important to you.

Ultimately, you need to go & drive both models (preferably several of each as they are very sensitive to setup) and decide.
_________________
Nick
Need Alcon discs or Pagid pads? https://uber9s.com

2004 GT3 CS in Atlas Grey with too many mods to list!
1995 993 GT2 recreation in Polar Silver
2010 GT3 CS in Riviera Blue Smile
1978 Carrera SC Barn Find in Red (restoration project)
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
Cunno
Watkins Glen


Joined: 13 Dec 2008
Posts: 2173
Location: Nottinghamshire


PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The simple answer is go drive them both. Then you can make a decision. Very little difference in power between a 7 or 6. 6 more raw and no aids 7 more civilised and better on road.
_________________
Porsche is for driving not for washing.
Present Car: 2006 3.6 Porsche GT3 997(White)
Ex: 2006 3.4 Porsche Cayman S (Silver)
Ex: 2001 2.7 Porsche Boxster (Seal Grey)
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
Roro
Long Beach


Joined: 01 Oct 2010
Posts: 6117



PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Nick and Cunno, it depends on what's most important for you

For me I never considered a 996 as I couldn't get past the looks, the 997 just had the best combination looks and the drive is/was great

I still think the 997 has the best combination of looks and drive, I like the look of the 991 for example, but it's just a teeny bit too big and bloated... but that's off topic

Good luck with the search Thumb
_________________
2007 997.1 GT3
2015 DMAX Blade
2016 Smart ForFour
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
phil84afc
Silverstone


Joined: 24 Feb 2010
Posts: 114
Location: Fleet


PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the 991 but I don't like the price! Ultimately, being used to the creature comforts and build quality of a ".2" generation car, I would prefer a 997 (.1 due to price) but in the right colour, the 996 looks awesome. There is a red one for sale at the moment for £70k and I love it, I'm just concerned it will be a little too hardcore for me and given the cost, don't want to make a mistake.

I have never requested a test drive on a car at this price level (most I've spent on a car is £35k) are dealers funny about this, i.e. if I turn up to test drive a GT3 in my Cayman would they think I'm more serious or does that not make a difference? Having only owned lower end Porsches, my knowledge in this sector is pretty limited...
_________________
Sold 986 Boxster
Sold 986 Boxster S
Sold 996 C4S
Sold 986 Boxster S
Sold 987 Boxster S
987.2 Cayman S / 205 1.9 GTi
 
  
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
   
Cunno
Watkins Glen


Joined: 13 Dec 2008
Posts: 2173
Location: Nottinghamshire


PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a red 996.2 on sale at the moment which has been bent and dealer hasn't been declared so check PH GT3 avoidance thread before viewing.
As for dealer ring them and book test drive will always help
_________________
Porsche is for driving not for washing.
Present Car: 2006 3.6 Porsche GT3 997(White)
Ex: 2006 3.4 Porsche Cayman S (Silver)
Ex: 2001 2.7 Porsche Boxster (Seal Grey)
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
911UK
Porsche Community
Porsche Community


Joined: 15 May 2002
Posts: 9182
Location: 911UK

1997 Porsche 993 Carrera 2

PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

phil84afc wrote:
I like the 991 but I don't like the price! Ultimately, being used to the creature comforts and build quality of a ".2" generation car, I would prefer a 997 (.1 due to price) but in the right colour, the 996 looks awesome. There is a red one for sale at the moment for £70k and I love it, I'm just concerned it will be a little too hardcore for me and given the cost, don't want to make a mistake.

I have never requested a test drive on a car at this price level (most I've spent on a car is £35k) are dealers funny about this, i.e. if I turn up to test drive a GT3 in my Cayman would they think I'm more serious or does that not make a difference? Having only owned lower end Porsches, my knowledge in this sector is pretty limited...


The key point is to settle on which type of GT3

Based on the prices you have quote, Gen 1 996 GT3 and Gen 2 996 GT3 are within your budget

997 over 996 there was a step up in fit and finish

997 GT3 Gen 1 cars start from £75k but are realistically in the £80k bracket and 997 Gen 2 cars are £100k+

there are still bargains to be found http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=118192

but maybe not that red one http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?p=1281000#1281000

caveat emptor
_________________
Get a Porsche Car Insurance Quote


FOLLOW 911UK ON FACEBOOK
 
  
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
   
NXI20
Approved Trader


Joined: 02 Feb 2008
Posts: 3229
Location: South Bucks

2004 Porsche 996 GT3 Mk2

PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

phil84afc wrote:
I have never requested a test drive on a car at this price level (most I've spent on a car is £35k) are dealers funny about this, i.e. if I turn up to test drive a GT3 in my Cayman would they think I'm more serious or does that not make a difference? Having only owned lower end Porsches, my knowledge in this sector is pretty limited...


Anyone dropping £70K on a car will be expecting a test drive. Any dealer that makes this a chore will be a ballache to deal with should you decide to buy so no great loss to move on to another car.
_________________
Nick
Need Alcon discs or Pagid pads? https://uber9s.com

2004 GT3 CS in Atlas Grey with too many mods to list!
1995 993 GT2 recreation in Polar Silver
2010 GT3 CS in Riviera Blue Smile
1978 Carrera SC Barn Find in Red (restoration project)
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
Disco
Estoril


Joined: 13 May 2008
Posts: 3599
Location: Hertfordshire

2010 Porsche 997 GT3

PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay - with over half a decade in each I will pitch in on this one.

The simple bit is that the 997 is a better road car out of the box (and is also easier to drive). On the 996 you should immediately have the geometry changed to something not much like factory settings and then they are closer, but at factory settings it is safely understeary and somewhat less fun.

Engine wise there is a big difference in the torque curve with the 3.8 in the 997.2 that makes it much more drivable for day to day use but the gen 1 is more like the 996.

The chassis differences are a bit more relevant. Firstly of course the 996 has no traction or stability control at all, the 997.1 just traction control and the 997.2 has traction and stability. On track you really will want to turn all of that off anyway (otherwise it devours your rear brakes and upsets the balance), but if you find yourself out in the wrong weather on the wrong tyres you might consider it a factor. The other big 996-997 chassis difference is that the former has passive dampers whereas the latter has PASM. As a road car the PASM is fine, but to be honest on track the passive ones would be my preference even though the factory ones are a bit skittish and fidgety on bumpier surfaces. Another factor is that the differential is more aggressive on the 996, which (assuming that the plates haven't worn out) gives you better on track traction in exchange for worse low speed road manners (and an even more pronounced tendency to try and make you stall reversing around corners).

The interior is generally regarded as a 997 strongpoint, but there is more in it to consider. The 996 has the best bucket seats (the folding ones available on the 997.2 come second {both fit the majority of people} and the fixed ones introduced on the 997.1 are only for people not only slim hipped, but also narrow shouldered). But it doesn't have an oil temperature gauge, so you will have to learn to feel for when it is up to temperature (the feel of the gearbox is the purist's indicator of choice). The 996 also has the (default) option of the lower dashboard delete - IMHO with it deleted the 996 has the better ergonomics but with it in place I would favour the 997. The 997 has the option of the factory TPMS tyre pressure monitoring system (though it wasn't standard until the gen 2 and is very rare on gen 1 cars) which despite its foibles I would always favour. Other than that though it only matters if you were looking at the 997 gen 2 : its navigation system is not only much, much better than the gen 1, but is also usually specified with audio inputs (which talk to line, USB or iPhone) and bluetooth handsfree for your phone. The PCM console in the gen 1 meanwhile isn't something that I would choose over the CDR23 in the 996.

What else... I prefer the gearstick in the 997 - fits nicer into my hand and the shifter is metal bushed rather than plastic in the 996, but frankly that is not a difficult or expensive thing to fix. Another tiny thing that still resonates with me is that you don't have to push the clutch to start a 996 (so on a track day you can just reach in and fire up the car, which was an adjustment to me when I switched but more than that it makes it immune to the clutch sensor failure on the 997 which is minor but irritatingly common).

So - if I were you : which would I buy? If you can get a 997.2 I would, but if it were 996 vs 997.1 I would go with the 996 personally. I still get very nostalgic about my old one...

Hope that is of some use.

As for test drives - depends upon the dealer. A lot of them try to size up whether you are a serious buyer or a test pilot and can be... not as you would hope to expect. That said - if you rock up in a Porsche and speak like someone who has clearly done their homework then a test drive shouldn't be an issue.

Thumb
_________________
Colin

Black 997 GT3 3.8 CS - Acquired for the 2012 season and beyond
Black 996 GT3 Mk2 - Gone, but will never be forgotten
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
hopeydaze
Trainee


Joined: 06 Jan 2012
Posts: 51
Location: Wargrave, Berkshire, UK


PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter at Centre Gravity said the 996 GT3 is a track car you can drive on the road whereas the 997 is a road car you can drive on the track.
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
jerzybondov
Silverstone


Joined: 27 Apr 2015
Posts: 129



PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty comprehensive write up Disco - OP won't get much better than that thumbsup
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
Senoj
Zolder


Joined: 23 Jan 2006
Posts: 5012
Location: Sussex


PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The chassis on 996 & 997 are very similar. And on GT cars the drivetrain is remarkably similar.

Put the styling and modernity of interior to one side for a second and the fundamental difference between the two is the dampers. This is where all the "hardcore" "softcore" stuff comes from IMHO. Depending on your use both standard suspension types are compromised. Many circuit driven 996's get a suspension change to something more adjustable (for both hard and soft) less thus far on 997 probably due to the age of the cars but increasingly so.

The 997 is a more "comfortable" road car when you leave the PASM in normal but i still wouldn't really want one as daily drive, its still a car designed to work the best at 7/10ths and above.
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
Gareth64
Trainee


Joined: 20 Mar 2016
Posts: 97
Location: United Kingdom


PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disco wrote:
Okay - with over half a decade in each I will pitch in on this one.

The simple bit is that the 997 is a better road car out of the box (and is also easier to drive). On the 996 you should immediately have the geometry changed to something not much like factory settings and then they are closer, but at factory settings it is safely understeary and somewhat less fun.

Engine wise there is a big difference in the torque curve with the 3.8 in the 997.2 that makes it much more drivable for day to day use but the gen 1 is more like the 996.

The chassis differences are a bit more relevant. Firstly of course the 996 has no traction or stability control at all, the 997.1 just traction control and the 997.2 has traction and stability. On track you really will want to turn all of that off anyway (otherwise it devours your rear brakes and upsets the balance), but if you find yourself out in the wrong weather on the wrong tyres you might consider it a factor. The other big 996-997 chassis difference is that the former has passive dampers whereas the latter has PASM. As a road car the PASM is fine, but to be honest on track the passive ones would be my preference even though the factory ones are a bit skittish and fidgety on bumpier surfaces. Another factor is that the differential is more aggressive on the 996, which (assuming that the plates haven't worn out) gives you better on track traction in exchange for worse low speed road manners (and an even more pronounced tendency to try and make you stall reversing around corners).

The interior is generally regarded as a 997 strongpoint, but there is more in it to consider. The 996 has the best bucket seats (the folding ones available on the 997.2 come second {both fit the majority of people} and the fixed ones introduced on the 997.1 are only for people not only slim hipped, but also narrow shouldered). But it doesn't have an oil temperature gauge, so you will have to learn to feel for when it is up to temperature (the feel of the gearbox is the purist's indicator of choice). The 996 also has the (default) option of the lower dashboard delete - IMHO with it deleted the 996 has the better ergonomics but with it in place I would favour the 997. The 997 has the option of the factory TPMS tyre pressure monitoring system (though it wasn't standard until the gen 2 and is very rare on gen 1 cars) which despite its foibles I would always favour. Other than that though it only matters if you were looking at the 997 gen 2 : its navigation system is not only much, much better than the gen 1, but is also usually specified with audio inputs (which talk to line, USB or iPhone) and bluetooth handsfree for your phone. The PCM console in the gen 1 meanwhile isn't something that I would choose over the CDR23 in the 996.

What else... I prefer the gearstick in the 997 - fits nicer into my hand and the shifter is metal bushed rather than plastic in the 996, but frankly that is not a difficult or expensive thing to fix. Another tiny thing that still resonates with me is that you don't have to push the clutch to start a 996 (so on a track day you can just reach in and fire up the car, which was an adjustment to me when I switched but more than that it makes it immune to the clutch sensor failure on the 997 which is minor but irritatingly common).

So - if I were you : which would I buy? If you can get a 997.2 I would, but if it were 996 vs 997.1 I would go with the 996 personally. I still get very nostalgic about my old one...

Hope that is of some use.

As for test drives - depends upon the dealer. A lot of them try to size up whether you are a serious buyer or a test pilot and can be... not as you would hope to expect. That said - if you rock up in a Porsche and speak like someone who has clearly done their homework then a test drive shouldn't be an issue.

Thumb


Lovely write up Disco!

Can I just ask one thing? I didn't know about having to push the clutch in on the 997. Why's that?

Cheers
_________________
2004 996 Turbo
Basalt Black
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
Roro
Long Beach


Joined: 01 Oct 2010
Posts: 6117



PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Senoj wrote:
The chassis on 996 & 997 are very similar. And on GT cars the drivetrain is remarkably similar.

Put the styling and modernity of interior to one side for a second and the fundamental difference between the two is the dampers. This is where all the "hardcore" "softcore" stuff comes from IMHO. Depending on your use both standard suspension types are compromised. Many circuit driven 996's get a suspension change to something more adjustable (for both hard and soft) less thus far on 997 probably due to the age of the cars but increasingly so.

The 997 is a more "comfortable" road car when you leave the PASM in normal but i still wouldn't really want one as daily drive, its still a car designed to work the best at 7/10ths and above.


Agree with the above, I tried using my 997 GT3 as a daily when I first got it, but gave up after a few months. I bought the car in June 2011 and by October I had bought a Fiat 500 to use as a daily. I couldn't imagine a 996 GT3 as a daily at all in this context, I probably would've last 1 month! So yes 997 GT3 is probably 'more' of a road car than a 996 GT3, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking either is a proper comfortable road car that you can use 24/7 for everything. That's what the Carrera is for.
_________________
2007 997.1 GT3
2015 DMAX Blade
2016 Smart ForFour
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
johntyboy
Newbie


Joined: 17 Jan 2017
Posts: 34
Location: Lake District.


PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disco, having never driven a 997 GT3, and having only owned my 996 GT3 for a few months I found your write up very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to contribute to this thread.

Watching with interest.
_________________
1970 911 2.2E Light Ivory
2004 996 GT3 Comfort Black.
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
phil84afc
Silverstone


Joined: 24 Feb 2010
Posts: 114
Location: Fleet


PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disco wrote:
Okay - with over half a decade in each I will pitch in on this one.

The simple bit is that the 997 is a better road car out of the box (and is also easier to drive). On the 996 you should immediately have the geometry changed to something not much like factory settings and then they are closer, but at factory settings it is safely understeary and somewhat less fun.

Engine wise there is a big difference in the torque curve with the 3.8 in the 997.2 that makes it much more drivable for day to day use but the gen 1 is more like the 996.

The chassis differences are a bit more relevant. Firstly of course the 996 has no traction or stability control at all, the 997.1 just traction control and the 997.2 has traction and stability. On track you really will want to turn all of that off anyway (otherwise it devours your rear brakes and upsets the balance), but if you find yourself out in the wrong weather on the wrong tyres you might consider it a factor. The other big 996-997 chassis difference is that the former has passive dampers whereas the latter has PASM. As a road car the PASM is fine, but to be honest on track the passive ones would be my preference even though the factory ones are a bit skittish and fidgety on bumpier surfaces. Another factor is that the differential is more aggressive on the 996, which (assuming that the plates haven't worn out) gives you better on track traction in exchange for worse low speed road manners (and an even more pronounced tendency to try and make you stall reversing around corners).

The interior is generally regarded as a 997 strongpoint, but there is more in it to consider. The 996 has the best bucket seats (the folding ones available on the 997.2 come second {both fit the majority of people} and the fixed ones introduced on the 997.1 are only for people not only slim hipped, but also narrow shouldered). But it doesn't have an oil temperature gauge, so you will have to learn to feel for when it is up to temperature (the feel of the gearbox is the purist's indicator of choice). The 996 also has the (default) option of the lower dashboard delete - IMHO with it deleted the 996 has the better ergonomics but with it in place I would favour the 997. The 997 has the option of the factory TPMS tyre pressure monitoring system (though it wasn't standard until the gen 2 and is very rare on gen 1 cars) which despite its foibles I would always favour. Other than that though it only matters if you were looking at the 997 gen 2 : its navigation system is not only much, much better than the gen 1, but is also usually specified with audio inputs (which talk to line, USB or iPhone) and bluetooth handsfree for your phone. The PCM console in the gen 1 meanwhile isn't something that I would choose over the CDR23 in the 996.

What else... I prefer the gearstick in the 997 - fits nicer into my hand and the shifter is metal bushed rather than plastic in the 996, but frankly that is not a difficult or expensive thing to fix. Another tiny thing that still resonates with me is that you don't have to push the clutch to start a 996 (so on a track day you can just reach in and fire up the car, which was an adjustment to me when I switched but more than that it makes it immune to the clutch sensor failure on the 997 which is minor but irritatingly common).

So - if I were you : which would I buy? If you can get a 997.2 I would, but if it were 996 vs 997.1 I would go with the 996 personally. I still get very nostalgic about my old one...

Hope that is of some use.

As for test drives - depends upon the dealer. A lot of them try to size up whether you are a serious buyer or a test pilot and can be... not as you would hope to expect. That said - if you rock up in a Porsche and speak like someone who has clearly done their homework then a test drive shouldn't be an issue.

Thumb


Amazing response, thank you very much!

The other curveball in the price range is a GT4...?
_________________
Sold 986 Boxster
Sold 986 Boxster S
Sold 996 C4S
Sold 986 Boxster S
Sold 987 Boxster S
987.2 Cayman S / 205 1.9 GTi
 
  
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
   
Disco
Estoril


Joined: 13 May 2008
Posts: 3599
Location: Hertfordshire

2010 Porsche 997 GT3

PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gareth64 wrote:

Lovely write up Disco!

Can I just ask one thing? I didn't know about having to push the clutch in on the 997. Why's that?

Cheers


Frankly I have no idea (I asked my OPC when they replaced my clutch sensor under warranty a few years ago and they didn't have an answer either). It is a pretty common thing with a lot of cars made since about 2005 in my experience but I have always thought it pointless personally.
_________________
Colin

Black 997 GT3 3.8 CS - Acquired for the 2012 season and beyond
Black 996 GT3 Mk2 - Gone, but will never be forgotten
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
Disco
Estoril


Joined: 13 May 2008
Posts: 3599
Location: Hertfordshire

2010 Porsche 997 GT3

PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

phil84afc wrote:

The other curveball in the price range is a GT4...?


I've not driven one (try Nick W - he has one as well as his GT3 RSs), but it is a very different animal. Also remember that it is (a) not a 911, (b) has a normal Carrera engine in it and (c) they brought in 600 of them, so it is a lot more numerous than any GT3 and consequently is probably carrying some depreciation to come at this point in its life.

The not a 911 part is not snobbery by the way - just an acknowledgement that the only Cayman model to so far reach a strong flat price is the Cayman R (a fine car which is much less numerous than the GT4, but again something with an engine closely related to cooking Carreras) and that has values well below list. With that as the only precedent then I personally expect that the GT4 is a car that you would only buy because you preferred it to the raw GT3 experience - unlikely to be as sound financially but by all accounts easier to drive fast and an excellent car all round (and lets be fair - by Cayman standards the residuals will still be excellent. Just not likely to be as good as GT3s. Though if you are buying long term and to drive then you shouldn't really be too bothered about that).

By all means test drive one and factor it into your buying choices though - it might just be the right one for you. Thumb
_________________
Colin

Black 997 GT3 3.8 CS - Acquired for the 2012 season and beyond
Black 996 GT3 Mk2 - Gone, but will never be forgotten
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
Senoj
Zolder


Joined: 23 Jan 2006
Posts: 5012
Location: Sussex


PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disco wrote:
Gareth64 wrote:

Lovely write up Disco!

Can I just ask one thing? I didn't know about having to push the clutch in on the 997. Why's that?

Cheers


Frankly I have no idea (I asked my OPC when they replaced my clutch sensor under warranty a few years ago and they didn't have an answer either). It is a pretty common thing with a lot of cars made since about 2005 in my experience but I have always thought it pointless personally.


Its a saftey thing to stop you starting it in gear.
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic   All times are GMT - 11 Hours
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 
Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You can attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum
You cannot post calendar events in this forum