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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:21 pm    Post subject: 993... London Banger Tax? Reply with quote

It seems the dear old 993 might be liable for the new London Banger Tax...

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/emissions-surcharge/emissions-surcharge-checker

Does anyone know if the 993 was built to Euro 4 or Euro 4 standard? I have no idea.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My understanding is that anything registered before January 1st 2001 is liable for the extra surcharge of £10 in the London congestion zone excluding the normal congestion surcharge ....... applicable in the hours that the congestion zone operates ...... that will be from October this year.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Technically my car would have been built to Euro 1 standard as that was the relevant standard at the time of build. 993s built after Jan 1996 would likely fall under Euro 2?

If you look at your MOT emissions report, maybe that will tell you whether your car meets Euro 4 standard.

I suspect they will class my car as Euro 1, irrespective of what emissions it actually produces, but it would be interesting to know how we'd argue our case if the car actually met Euro 4, given that Euro 4 was introduced in 2005.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish the government would make up their minds about which sorts of cars they like and which they don't.

My XC90 diesel won't be impacted but my 993 will. I thought we didn't like diesels in cities anymore...?

Dont know
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...... in this case it is not the government per se ....... it is tfl and Sadiq Khan the Mayor of London that iare pulling the strings ........
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't argue with their thought process (although you'd think they should also try to get rid of diesels). The CZ has definitely improved things in London (...waits for certain retired cabbie to disagree...) and working in central London I'm all for anything that reduces the amount of pollution.

Like it or not, electric vehicles are the future of city transport. I envy Tesla and i8 drivers. Cool & geeky.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gunner wrote:
I wish the government would make up their minds about which sorts of cars they like and which they don't.

My XC90 diesel won't be impacted but my 993 will. I thought we didn't like diesels in cities anymore...?

Dont know


It isn't the government but rather Citizen Khan on that one. As for your XC90 : there is talk of punitive taxation or outright ban of diesels in London on the horizon, so you will presumably be hoping that they keep dragging their feet on that one...?

[There is already a timeline on diesel bans in cities for a number of cities, including Paris and Mexico City]
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poke london
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crikey this is the first I've heard about this; fine in principal but it's being rolled out a bit quick if you ask me. Doesnt really give one much time to adjust does it?..
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tobesetc wrote:
I can't argue with their thought process (although you'd think they should also try to get rid of diesels). The CZ has definitely improved things in London (...waits for certain retired cabbie to disagree...) and working in central London I'm all for anything that reduces the amount of pollution.

Like it or not, electric vehicles are the future of city transport. I envy Tesla and i8 drivers. Cool & geeky.


I have always been in favour of it ....... I wasn't in favour of widening the zone ....... but I would be in favour of doubling the charge ........ lol ...... how little you know of me ...... maybe you have been taking lessons off another poster on these 'ere boards ........ Wink
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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........ my sentiments entirely ....... Smile
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tobesetc wrote:
I can't argue with their thought process (although you'd think they should also try to get rid of diesels). The CZ has definitely improved things in London (...waits for certain retired cabbie to disagree...) and working in central London I'm all for anything that reduces the amount of pollution.

Like it or not, electric vehicles are the future of city transport. I envy Tesla and i8 drivers. Cool & geeky.




where does the pollution from these cars go to then? you know, the mountain of electricity they need, its just put somewhere else isn't it?

They aint the future, they may run alongside the existing, but they aint the future.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And them batterys aren't for keeps either. Cost to replace? £10k at present. That's not to say the technology won't improve but that strikes me as being poor VFM right now.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry peeps, but electric drive is the future. Battery's aren't. But other technologies such as fuel cells etc probably are.

As for pollution from the generation... Which really applies to the battery era which isn't the future.. It's still just a fraction of what a combustion engine chuck's out. And not in the city (hell, embrace the current political climate, think selfish).
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

madalaa wrote:
Tobesetc wrote:
I can't argue with their thought process (although you'd think they should also try to get rid of diesels). The CZ has definitely improved things in London (...waits for certain retired cabbie to disagree...) and working in central London I'm all for anything that reduces the amount of pollution.

Like it or not, electric vehicles are the future of city transport. I envy Tesla and i8 drivers. Cool & geeky.


I have always been in favour of it ....... I wasn't in favour of widening the zone ....... but I would be in favour of doubling the charge ........ lol ...... how little you know of me ...... maybe you have been taking lessons off another poster on these 'ere boards ........ Wink


I take it all back, sorry! No idea why I thought you'd disagree... Tell you what, by way of apology, I'll get the Uber on Thursday Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These greedy prix are constantly on the search for more ways to extort money from us all, and no matter how much they take........they still can't get anything right

The congestion charge is an insidious tax

London is choking, it's not due to volume, it's due to the way the volume is handled, the phasing of lights, width restrictions, cycle lanes and speed bumps are all part of the problem

Traffic management is contrived by pen pushing bureaucrats that have no conception of the fact that some people work odd hours, have to carry tools or equipment to work, we're not all 9-5........

Our tiny little company pays £2-400 per month in congestion charging, imo it's just legalised robbery, along with camera fines and junction boxes it's becoming a farce

They seem to be actively destroying the country

It's among many reasons I moved to the south west

Rant over..........but ongoing
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the time of their launch the

993 Non Varioram was Euro 1 compliant
993 Varioram was Euro 2 compliant

The status is based at time of 1st production
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AP90 wrote:
These greedy prix are constantly on the search for more ways to extort money from us all, and no matter how much they take........they still can't get anything right

The congestion charge is an insidious tax

London is choking, it's not due to volume, it's due to the way the volume is handled, the phasing of lights, width restrictions, cycle lanes and speed bumps are all part of the problem

Traffic management is contrived by pen pushing bureaucrats that have no conception of the fact that some people work odd hours, have to carry tools or equipment to work, we're not all 9-5........

Our tiny little company pays £2-400 per month in congestion charging, imo it's just legalised robbery, along with camera fines and junction boxes it's becoming a farce

They seem to be actively destroying the country

It's among many reasons I moved to the south west

Rant over..........but ongoing


I'm with you on this. We spend easily £1000.00 per month on the CC. Also, the Embankment used to be hands down the swiftest way for me to get from my office in East London to a client in the West End. 30 mins tops. And then they put that silly Cycle Super Highway in, cut out a lane and absolutely mullered all and sundry. I piss myself when a cyclist zips past me not even using then cycle lane! Utter utter shite. Mind you the CC just appears on my invoices to clients so it actually does not act as a deterrent.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recall when we did the factory/Dinslaken trip last year there was a bit of hand wringing over whether people should get the requisite permit or whatever for the drive into Stuttgart where there is a similar emissions restriction. We winged it and didn't bother, but I guess if you have a UK registered vehicle and try driving into a UK emissions regulated city you are going to get nicked.
 
  
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Are you making the Wales shebonga?
 
  
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