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Terrorv
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:20 pm    Post subject: PCM 2.1 Replacement Reply with quote

Hi all, Currently have PCM 2.1 in my 2007 997s cab. As you all know it is horrendously out of date and at times annoying. I would really like to replace it with something more modern that does not look out of place in the car.

I have the Bose, CD multichanger and steering wheel control options.

The system I would like to replace it with must have a good European sat nav as I use the car on euro trips. It must also connect with my phone via Bluetooth so I can play my music and ideally make calls. I would also want it to integrate with my steering wheel controls. Another must is a digital radio so I can listen to Radio 6

I know there has been threads previously on here regarding this but any up to date information would be appreciated. I am in Leicester so would like it to be fitted fairly local to me.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pioneer Avic-F88dab is current flagship, fit with the x2 Connects2 boxes to hook up the bose and retain the steering wheel controls (as well as give Canbus switched live, illumination, handbrake and speed signal etc).
Integrated Nav as well as Apple Carplay and Android Auto.

Its plug and play, I fitted mine. You might want to hang on and find out who is announcing wireless Carplay support as that is next thing imo.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cheaper options is a pioneer SPH DA120. Search the forum and you will find the discussions.

The leads are around £250 to make steering wheel controls.

It's perfectly easy to get something else in, and yes, the PCM2.1 is useless. I have an SPH DA120 and very pleased. What it doesn't have is DAB support but otherwise easy to use, works well, sound quality is great.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can hang on to the weekend i'll have a Alpine w925r with silver 997 surround and Rainbow amp for sale. I think it has an optical lead from memory too, but not sure if it's the correct one for steering wheel controls. It also comes with an Alpine reversing camera. Whole set up is less than a year old
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do these units retain the functionality for things like headlight options (daytime running / 'Home' duration settings), automatic door locking etc? Question

Or do they not? Dont know
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, no further interaction is available (but final states should be preservered)

(although the DME would be reconfigurable using PIWIS etc)
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the Alpine W925R like Ben is about to sell . it links to my iphone for spotify streaming calls,3d mapping, DAB ,I have an old ipod in the armrest cubby and that holds all my music , films etc also it plays DVD has a nice porsche splash screen , mine doesnt have the alpine reversing camera as it cost extra but a nice feature. you will need a MOST optical interface unless Ben already has one with it . this unit is an Alpine flagship model and expensive new . A few members have fitted this unit and as me are very pleased with it . the only thing they dont do is carplay internet . but I understand you can get a mirrorplay devise to bring it all together if you need that function.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, thanks for all your replies so far. It is much appreciated.

Ben, do you have the MOST optical interface and is it the Dab version you have?
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SPH DA120 has Mirrorlink and Apple carplay, but not android auto.

To be honest, I just use my phone as my sat nav for google maps or waze anyway as its far easier!
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terrorv wrote:
Hi, thanks for all your replies so far. It is much appreciated.

Ben, do you have the MOST optical interface and is it the Dab version you have?


I'll check with my installer, but i'm not sure on the optical cable. It is DAB though and the reverse camera gets tied in to the gearbox so comes on automatically
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went for the Dynavin N6 PS. It was genuinely plug and play, and looks OEM in the dash. It came with more cables than I required; including CANBUS and MOST. Took 10 minutes to fit - most of that was getting the cables to fit in the tiny space behind the dashboard! The details are on the website below, but I found it cheaper on eBay.

http://www.dynavinstore.com/store/shop/porsche-series/dynavin-n6-ps-black-108.html
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I leaning slightly towards the Dynavin N6 PS now. Partly due to the fact that my 997 has the cocoa interior and I think it would look better as the car does not have a great deal of black to tie in with the black surround of the alpine unit. Quite like the pioneer as it is very minimal in the button department.

Decisions, decisions, decisions!
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT4 wrote:
No, no further interaction is available (but final states should be preservered)

(although the DME would be reconfigurable using PIWIS etc)


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your brave and have deep pockets...

Isysman did the PCM 2.1 to 3 swap.

He has all the instructions on his GT2RS thread here

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=97438&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=160
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob325114 wrote:
I went for the Dynavin N6 PS. It was genuinely plug and play, and looks OEM in the dash. It came with more cables than I required; including CANBUS and MOST. Took 10 minutes to fit - most of that was getting the cables to fit in the tiny space behind the dashboard! The details are on the website below, but I found it cheaper on eBay.

http://www.dynavinstore.com/store/shop/porsche-series/dynavin-n6-ps-black-108.html


I'm feeling slightly sick at what the Dension BT500 + fitting cost me frustrated

That Dynavin looks great, and would definitely go for the DAB radio. When are they turning FM off ??!! Dont know

Another advantage is getting rid of the worn porsche PCM knobs puh
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'be fitted a Dynavin in my 987.2, excellent piece of kit and does the whole safety camera thing as well which is useful

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is how the pioneer SPH DA120 looks like when fitted with the right colour surround, which is easy to get.



Does the Dynavin have things like Apple Carplay, Android Auto etc because if you are doing this, you want to be getting those sort of things without a doubt.

For me, the Dynavin looks a bit old fashioned now, is it due an update?

Surely the best bet is the latest model from pioneer with the right surround? The SPH DA120 is at least 2 years old now, probably more, and you should be getting DAB radio. Though saying that, depends where you live. I live in Hertford, so just outside London, and the wife's DAB radio in her brand new BMW clicks around and loses connection if we venture much further into the countryside, for example, when we were north or Saffron Walden the other day. Hardly in the middle of nowhere!

Seems the DAB signal is still pretty rubbish in places, dread to think what it will be like in deepest Exmoor!
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

resigner wrote:
this is how the pioneer SPH DA120 looks like when fitted with the right colour surround, which is easy to get.

Does the Dynavin have things like Apple Carplay, Android Auto etc because if you are doing this, you want to be getting those sort of things without a doubt.

For me, the Dynavin looks a bit old fashioned now, is it due an update?

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Your Pioneer looks well integrated - nice work. Regarding the Dynavin - I think it's slightly dated look is intentional; to better suit the slightly dated look of the 997. You need to remember the rest of your dash was designed well over a decade ago - and I think the Dynavin is just trying to reflect that.

The absence of Android Auto was the biggest toss up for me between choosing the Dynavin, or an alternative branded provider like Alpine/Pioneer/etc. I settled on the Dynavin for two reasons:

1. I found the reviews of Android Auto on the cheaper media units to be average, at best. Going for a higher end version started to blow the budget I had in mind for something that I essentially just wanted to stream my spotify through. Moreover, the Dynavin allows you to skip songs on Spotify via the normal A2DP Bluetooth functionality - so beyong screen mirroring, the additional outlay seemed wasted.

2. Ease. I found never-ending articles explaining what cables/adapters you needed depending on whether you car has Bose, 8 speakers, 10 speakers, optical loop, etc etc. Then this seemed to change again when you looked at the player you were buying. Halford's told me I needed a £250 CANBUS adapter, or something! The Dynavin promised to replicate the existing PCM2.1 set up in a plug-and-play fashion. It delivered on that promise.
 
  
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alastairb
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob325114 wrote:
resigner wrote:
this is how the pioneer SPH DA120 looks like when fitted with the right colour surround, which is easy to get.

Does the Dynavin have things like Apple Carplay, Android Auto etc because if you are doing this, you want to be getting those sort of things without a doubt.

For me, the Dynavin looks a bit old fashioned now, is it due an update?

...


Your Pioneer looks well integrated - nice work. Regarding the Dynavin - I think it's slightly dated look is intentional; to better suit the slightly dated look of the 997. You need to remember the rest of your dash was designed well over a decade ago - and I think the Dynavin is just trying to reflect that.

The absence of Android Auto was the biggest toss up for me between choosing the Dynavin, or an alternative branded provider like Alpine/Pioneer/etc. I settled on the Dynavin for two reasons:

1. I found the reviews of Android Auto on the cheaper media units to be average, at best. Going for a higher end version started to blow the budget I had in mind for something that I essentially just wanted to stream my spotify through. Moreover, the Dynavin allows you to skip songs on Spotify via the normal A2DP Bluetooth functionality - so beyong screen mirroring, the additional outlay seemed wasted.

2. Ease. I found never-ending articles explaining what cables/adapters you needed depending on whether you car has Bose, 8 speakers, 10 speakers, optical loop, etc etc. Then this seemed to change again when you looked at the player you were buying. Halford's told me I needed a £250 CANBUS adapter, or something! The Dynavin promised to replicate the existing PCM2.1 set up in a plug-and-play fashion. It delivered on that promise.



Not sure how a unit itself can effect Android Auto - all the processing is done on the phone isnt it? Which head units got a bad Android-Auto review?


You want a Canbus adapter as this converts the Can signal for 'stereo on' into a switched 12v live to switch the aftermarket stereo on. This is pretty much standard on most cars since 00's - I just did same thing on my Alfa 159.
The Connects2 adapter ALSO converts other signals you want to use in your stereo like headlights on, reverse gear selected (for camera), speed signal (for GPS dropout in tunnels etc). It is basically plug and play.

If you have Bose Amp you have Optical connection from Stereo to Amplifier , for this reason you need a 2nd adapter box to convert the Stereo RCA Output into an Optical signal for the OEM Bose Amp.

2nd box for Bose / Optical is approx £180 I think, for this reason some people just ditch the Optical amp and re-wire a replacement direct to speakers.
You only need an optical loop back if you are breaking the circuit somewhere , the Connects2 kit I used meant I didnt need an optical loop etc.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry - Optical adapter c£150 on ebay :
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Connects2-CT51-PO04-Porsche-911-997-04-08-Fibre-Optic-Amplifier-Retention-/172017035407
 
  
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