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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seanyboy wrote:
Bund wrote:
seanyboy wrote:
I didn't appreciate the exclusivity until I looked into it more, its only now I can afford a GT3 but now I appreciate that and these cars will probably go to previous customers.
I can imagine it will be an amazing experience choosing the spec and ordering one of these cars then actually picking it up.....do dreams come true?!!


I've ordered and collected a GT3 new, it was no more of an experience than ordering a cayenne yet driving it was a better experience.

I'd prefer that they price the GT/R cars higher and make the amount they get orders for and then the price would make them exclusive and probably stop flippers.


Ive never been in the position to order a new car like a Porsche unfortunately.
Is it a 991 GT3 you have?


No pal, It was a 997 GT3 and since then the R was the one only 911 I wanted new. I left a letter in with Porsche saying although I didn't know the name of it I would like to buy a 911 with a GT3 engine in manual which wasn't quite a GT3 nor a standard 911. It was a vague description I admit and written when the 997 was the current 911. I'm just bitter the 911R wasn't built in numbers at the price they sold them at or had they marketed them at £200k+ I would of just said I can't put that money into one and been happy for those who were happy to pay the prices. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick w wrote:
Porsche have always played the 'supply and demand' game on all the previous GT cars.


Not always. The 997.2 RS was where it all started - before that, if you ordered one after the reviews hit the news stands they would take your money. I even got glossy mail shots and a dealer call trying to get me to buy a 997.1 GT3 or RS, but it was a big financial step from my (at the time) gently depreciating 996 GT3 and I couldn't bring myself to pull the trigger. With the original 996.1 GT3, they actually struggled to generate interest for it in the UK market (which is why the UK 996.1 Clubsport is as rare as a 4 litre 997 even though globally the car wasn't really materially rarer than any other pre-991 GT3).

It all kicked off when the 997.2 RS came in though, where Porsche GB had a constrained allocation and it amounted to not enough cars to satisfy all of the people who had bought the earlier cars and wanted an upgrade.

That said : even with the 991.1 GT3, anyone who called their dealer when they did the announcement got a car (indeed - I had a sales call from my OPC of choice to see if I was interested in it). Waiting for the reviews would have seen you miss out though.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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nick w wrote:
Porsche have always played the 'supply and demand' game on all the previous GT cars.


Not always. The 997.2 RS was where it all started - before that, if you ordered one after the reviews hit the news stands they would take your money. I even got glossy mail shots and a dealer call trying to get me to buy a 997.1 GT3 or RS, but it was a big financial step from my (at the time) gently depreciating 996 GT3 and I couldn't bring myself to pull the trigger. With the original 996.1 GT3, they actually struggled to generate interest for it in the UK market (which is why the UK 996.1 Clubsport is as rare as a 4 litre 997 even though globally the car wasn't really materially rarer than any other pre-991 GT3).

It all kicked off when the 997.2 RS came in though, where Porsche GB had a constrained allocation and it amounted to not enough cars to satisfy all of the people who had bought the earlier cars and wanted an upgrade.

That said : even with the 991.1 GT3, anyone who called their dealer when they did the announcement got a car (indeed - I had a sales call from my OPC of choice to see if I was interested in it). Waiting for the reviews would have seen you miss out though.


It started a little earlier...I wanted a gen 1 997 GT3 in early 2008, and I couldn't get one for love nor money. I got myself conned into buying a 997 4S
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Already been told I'm not getting one!! :-/ will hang off and see if Gen 1 cars prices are affected.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gen 1 prices will probably soften when
people that have gen 2 allocation get their gen 2 cars and trade in their
gen 1.
you may then get into a gen 1 2nd hand overstock situation and the gen 1 prices will drop below the 100 k barrier.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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....... you may then get into a gen 1 2nd hand overstock situation and the gen 1 prices will drop below the 100 k barrier.



I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for that to happen. nooo
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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....... you may then get into a gen 1 2nd hand overstock situation and the gen 1 prices will drop below the 100 k barrier.



I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for that to happen. nooo


The ones on the market don't seem to be shifting at the prices they're st. Porsche in edinburgh have knocked 5k off there one in the last 4 weeks.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seanyboy wrote:
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....... you may then get into a gen 1 2nd hand overstock situation and the gen 1 prices will drop below the 100 k barrier.



I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for that to happen. nooo


The ones on the market don't seem to be shifting at the prices they're st. Porsche in edinburgh have knocked 5k off there one in the last 4 weeks.


Asking prices might fall but there's a massive difference between where they are now and sub-£100k.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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T8 wrote:
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....... you may then get into a gen 1 2nd hand overstock situation and the gen 1 prices will drop below the 100 k barrier.



I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for that to happen. nooo


The ones on the market don't seem to be shifting at the prices they're st. Porsche in edinburgh have knocked 5k off there one in the last 4 weeks.


Asking prices might fall but there's a massive difference between where they are now and sub-£100k.


All depends how many new ones get built.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the original question was " has anyone got a slot".

Has anyone got a slot ?

deliveries are slated for summer/autumn depending on what forum you look at.

Im guessing uk deliveries wont occur till the 67 plate becomes available.

Left hand drive deliveries probably before that.

So who has a slot and a delivery date ?
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
seanyboy wrote:
T8 wrote:
pslot wrote:


....... you may then get into a gen 1 2nd hand overstock situation and the gen 1 prices will drop below the 100 k barrier.



I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for that to happen. nooo


The ones on the market don't seem to be shifting at the prices they're st. Porsche in edinburgh have knocked 5k off there one in the last 4 weeks.


Asking prices might fall but there's a massive difference between where they are now and sub-£100k.


i agree, never said they'd drop that far, but they can't have cats sitting around for months not selling, or can they?
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm hoping there'll be 2 new models announced:

- A GT3 (PDK only)
- A manual equivalent but branded something else and minus the rear wing, a 'cheapo' R for the masses... c'mon Porsche... you can do it .... brownie points to Porsche if they call it the ST

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Do you know what ....? For me , There is no getting away from that has to be the best looking model of 911 ever .... I just think everything looks right about it .....I don't particularly mean the racing livery , just the overall model ....perfection ...I wish I had been a bit more market savvy a few years ago ...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

seanyboy wrote:

I can imagine it will be an amazing experience choosing the spec and ordering one of these cars then actually picking it up.....do dreams come true?!!


I have only bought one new car from an OPC and the whole experience was thoroughly rubbish and blighted by appalling service and incompetence.
I personally would prefer to buy from an Indy or private in future- although obviously that's not an option if you want a GT3 straight from the factory.

There are loads of 991.1 GT3's on the market..... I can't imagine they will continue to hold on to value-??
Got to be good for true enthusiasts if Porsche do churn out lots of the new model with no production restrictions.......but that's like Rolex churning out lots of steel Daytona's-it ain't gonna happen- brand prestige is more important than all other considerations.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pslot wrote:
the original question was " has anyone got a slot".

Has anyone got a slot ?

deliveries are slated for summer/autumn depending on what forum you look at.

Im guessing uk deliveries wont occur till the 67 plate becomes available.

Left hand drive deliveries probably before that.

So who has a slot and a delivery date ?


No...sadly. Unless anyone is offering? Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what Car magazine say about availability:



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriously - if you really want one then your best chance is probably to call OPCs on the other side of the channel and chase a left hook French/Spanish/Dutch allocation Question
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Seriously - if you really want one then your best chance is probably to call OPCs on the other side of the channel and chase a left hook French/Spanish/Dutch allocation Question


EU friend has offered his slot. However apart from LHD it is also much more expensive than UK.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:05 pm    Post subject: happy Reply with quote

Wow, theres an Anthropological doctorate in here somewhere...

This is a fascinating study of people and desires and smells like the Tulip market crisis...

Id love to be a fly on the wall at an OPC when they "decide" who gets a car.
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Ive seen people saying that they are too cheap and should be more expensive so there is less competition...

You cant make this up...first world problems guys

I feel really sorry for the 911R buyers...and Im speaking as somebody who was "happy" to pay overs on a GT4 Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheapest .2 GT3 in Europe/USA is in the UK

USA - USD 144,650 .approx. £118,585
Europe - EUR 152,416. approx. £132,489
UK - £ 111 k

I can understand the US pricing, however the delta between uk and Europe is staggering.
Maybe there was more flipping in Europe than anywhere else in the world.

rates from xe.com at 18.31 on 08/03/2017

If I was Porsche the smallest allocation goes to the UK
.1 prices should remain firm because nobody will get a .2 ! Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

carkid wrote:
seanyboy wrote:

I can imagine it will be an amazing experience choosing the spec and ordering one of these cars then actually picking it up.....do dreams come true?!!


I have only bought one new car from an OPC and the whole experience was thoroughly rubbish and blighted by appalling service and incompetence.
I personally would prefer to buy from an Indy or private in future- although obviously that's not an option if you want a GT3 straight from the factory.

There are loads of 991.1 GT3's on the market..... I can't imagine they will continue to hold on to value-??
Got to be good for true enthusiasts if Porsche do churn out lots of the new model with no production restrictions.......but that's like Rolex churning out lots of steel Daytona's-it ain't gonna happen- brand prestige is more important than all other considerations.


As T8 says, I don't see a huge drop. Indication is that OPC's will get 5-15 cars and many of them have 60+ buyers. Potentially a few 991.1 takers out of the 45+ unlucky souls.

But I have a 991.1 GT3 so obviously biased. If they do fall so be it, the GT4 will fall too and if so I will buy one of those too. So won't be too unhappy with those two to play with.

The 991.1 is an epic car in its own right, sounds like the 991.2 is better, bottom line is every so often you have to dip your toe in the market and we all know that there is going to be a better model along every few years.

Also I've got an Evo VI in the garage I bought new in 2000 so quite happy to buy and hold.

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