Took the 996RS to Silverstone on Monday. Was a glorious few hours.
She'll get overtaken by well driven 991s but who cares. She was great! Will console myself with that! _________________ 997 GT3 RS 3.8 Grey/Red
996 GT3 Mk2 Clubsport Guards Red
KTM XBOW RR Superlight Spec
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carkid Imola
Joined: 13 Nov 2012 Posts: 852 Location: England
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:23 pm Post subject:
FredGT3 wrote:
carkid wrote:
seanyboy wrote:
I can imagine it will be an amazing experience choosing the spec and ordering one of these cars then actually picking it up.....do dreams come true?!!
I have only bought one new car from an OPC and the whole experience was thoroughly rubbish and blighted by appalling service and incompetence.
I personally would prefer to buy from an Indy or private in future- although obviously that's not an option if you want a GT3 straight from the factory.
There are loads of 991.1 GT3's on the market..... I can't imagine they will continue to hold on to value-??
Got to be good for true enthusiasts if Porsche do churn out lots of the new model with no production restrictions.......but that's like Rolex churning out lots of steel Daytona's-it ain't gonna happen- brand prestige is more important than all other considerations.
As T8 says, I don't see a huge drop. Indication is that OPC's will get 5-15 cars and many of them have 60+ buyers. Potentially a few 991.1 takers out of the 45+ unlucky souls.
But I have a 991.1 GT3 so obviously biased. If they do fall so be it, the GT4 will fall too and if so I will buy one of those too. So won't be too unhappy with those two to play with.
The 991.1 is an epic car in its own right, sounds like the 991.2 is better, bottom line is every so often you have to dip your toe in the market and we all know that there is going to be a better model along every few years.
Also I've got an Evo VI in the garage I bought new in 2000 so quite happy to buy and hold.
Regards
Fred
It all gets a bit silly really-I mean, Fred- your yellow GT3 is the absolute business.....unless you are Mark Webber on a track day are you really ever going to need a 991.2GT3 over a. 991.1 or notice much difference?
It's telling that there has been far more written about getting hold of a new GT3 than the actual car itself..... _________________ 993 C2
997 turbo
991.1 GT3RS
Ex:
2015 991GTS
1990 964 C2
1982 911SC
FredGT3 Monza
Joined: 06 Sep 2011 Posts: 165
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:46 pm Post subject:
Absolutely agree Mr B, I bought my car to enjoy for years. I think a .2 will be better, how much no idea.
My 997 GTS was fantastic, I actually love the wife's little 986S too, all really good fun to punt down the right road.
Regards
Fred _________________ Current 14 991 GT3, 986S, 2017 Cayenne Diesel Platinum
Previous 997 GTS, 996 GT3
Flat out to the end of the road!
Senoj Zolder
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 5179 Location: Sussex
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:08 pm Post subject:
pslot wrote:
cheapest .2 GT3 in Europe/USA is in the UK
USA - USD 144,650 .approx. £118,585
Europe - EUR 152,416. approx. £132,489
UK - £ 111 k
I can understand the US pricing, however the delta between uk and Europe is staggering.
Maybe there was more flipping in Europe than anywhere else in the world.
rates from xe.com at 18.31 on 08/03/2017
If I was Porsche the smallest allocation goes to the UK
.1 prices should remain firm because nobody will get a .2 !
That looks like a massive bollock drop. Is it the same on the other models? Maybe Porsche uk hasn't caught up with post Brexit sterling yet and are just making less margin. The costs must be the same and in euro you'd assume.
DerbyJim Hockenheim
Joined: 25 May 2014 Posts: 740 Location: Surrey
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:25 pm Post subject:
Have put a letter of intention on but not heard yet... not holding much hope.
Not sure what I need to do to give a company my money?
askgeez Barcelona
Joined: 05 Apr 2015 Posts: 1467 Location: Essex
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:02 pm Post subject:
A bloke on Facebook porsche owners page has a slot.
Just so happens he is the first owner on the logbook of my 4s.
Obviously spends a lot of ££ , so is one of the "special" customers OPC look after !
I think he picked up a new 'R' when they came out as well !
He is asking Manual or PDK _________________ 997.2 GT3 coupe Manual (03/19 >)
911 SC Targa Manual (04/19 >)
997.2 GTS coupe PDK (06/17-02/19)
997.1 C4s coupe Manual (04/15-06/17)
pslot Newbie
Joined: 12 Jan 2015 Posts: 22 Location: UK
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:05 am Post subject:
Quote:
He is asking Manual or PDK
why is this even a question ?
Its just got to be a manual , like "everybody" asked for !!!!!
here are the facts
PDK is as used in race cars... so its tested and proven to be faster
PDK is faster on acceleration
PDK will always change gears quicker than you can throw a stick
every single test I have read or watched has said "wow this PDK box
is staggering".
The revised software .2 box is apparently faster, a few milli seconds probably.
Personally I do not feel "involved" whilst going round the M25 or getting stuck in traffic or using the car on a normal daily basis.
PDK will always be the choice, I really would like to know how many people actually order manual.
When I bought my C4s I wanted manual , tiptronic is just not as good, however PDK is the dogs. _________________ 991 gt3/997 4s x51/3.2 targa/911T/965/SC/944
GT4 Nordschleife
Joined: 08 Nov 2008 Posts: 30178 Location: Hertfordshire and Hampshire
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:39 am Post subject:
askgeez wrote:
He is asking Manual or PDK
For driving enjoyment or resale purposes?
Frankly, if he doesn't know, Porsche should take back the allocation.
Cheib Spa-Francorchamps
Joined: 20 Feb 2016 Posts: 300
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:16 am Post subject:
GT4 wrote:
askgeez wrote:
He is asking Manual or PDK
For driving enjoyment or resale purposes?
Frankly, if he doesn't know, Porsche should take back the allocation.
That's the most sensible thing I have seen written about the 991.2 in the last 72 hours!
The tool that wrote it is probably just using his "dilemma" as an excuse to tell the world he has a slot!!!!! _________________ 997 GTS Manual
Cayenne S Diesel
Ruby Star 718 Boxster - Mrs Cheib's car
Lava Orange 991.2 GT3 Manual
Sport Classic Grey Macan Turbo PP
GT4 Nordschleife
Joined: 08 Nov 2008 Posts: 30178 Location: Hertfordshire and Hampshire
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:03 pm Post subject:
Exactly.
Can we confirm he isn't actually living in his Nan's back bedroom and is currently studying for his Media Studies A-Level?
Only the Cayman Clubsport and a couple of independently developed Carreras... That doesn't really count for much. The sequentials in full fat racing Porsches have nothing in common with PDK. _________________ Colin
Black 997 GT3 3.8 CS - Acquired for the 2012 season and beyond
Black 996 GT3 Mk2 - Gone, but will never be forgotten
Disco Estoril
Joined: 13 May 2008 Posts: 3931 Location: Hertfordshire
USA - USD 144,650 .approx. £118,585
Europe - EUR 152,416. approx. £132,489
UK - £ 111 k
I can understand the US pricing, however the delta between uk and Europe is staggering.
Maybe there was more flipping in Europe than anywhere else in the world.
rates from xe.com at 18.31 on 08/03/2017
If I was Porsche the smallest allocation goes to the UK
.1 prices should remain firm because nobody will get a .2 !
That looks like a massive bollock drop. Is it the same on the other models? Maybe Porsche uk hasn't caught up with post Brexit sterling yet and are just making less margin. The costs must be the same and in euro you'd assume.
Porsche engage in extensive multi-year currency hedging (all of which came out when the Volkswagen takeover thing was going on) so that is a major factor. As presumably is the different tax treatment of motoring around the world.
That said - prices are sure to go up eventually. _________________ Colin
Black 997 GT3 3.8 CS - Acquired for the 2012 season and beyond
Black 996 GT3 Mk2 - Gone, but will never be forgotten
GT4 Nordschleife
Joined: 08 Nov 2008 Posts: 30178 Location: Hertfordshire and Hampshire
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:16 pm Post subject:
pslot wrote:
here are the facts
PDK is as used in race cars...
Depends if you want to go quick or go fun. FACT.
DRZ911 Barcelona
Joined: 13 Mar 2013 Posts: 1445 Location: Belfast
Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:30 pm Post subject:
GT4 wrote:
Can we confirm he isn't actually living in his Nan's back bedroom and is currently studying for his Media Studies A-Level?
_________________ 991 Gen 2 GT3 Racing Yellow
Yamaha R1 and BMW R100RS
jotaking Hockenheim
Joined: 01 Jun 2012 Posts: 643
Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:36 pm Post subject:
Well...2 knock backs on the 991.2 GT3 so far.
I did send the "LOI" with "tongue in cheek" as I have only ever purchased one 911 from an OPC.
I have resigned myself to maybe owning a 4-5-year-old 991.2 GT3 with 20K miles for 150K in 2022!
The backup plan was the 991.1 GT3, however, all the engine business and warranty requirements put me off a little. Although these are fantastic cars, IMHO the 991.1 story has not been played out in full.
*IMHO Porsche haven't endorsed the .1 engine as they have binned it off for a totally reworked version with "rigid valve train" and improved lubrication design. In my mind, this is almost an admission that there are premature wear problems in the .1 design? If not, why didn't the .1 engine evolve to give more power in the .2 car??
*Disclaimer
My hypothesis is purely based on internet/forum speak. I am no expert, so if any experts can enlighten me I would be grateful.
FredGT3 Monza
Joined: 06 Sep 2011 Posts: 165
Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:19 pm Post subject:
The warranty can be bought until the car is 15 years old. Its well worth while regardless.
Porsche have not abandoned owners of 991.1 GT3, not every car has had problems with the E1 engines.
I'm on an E1 engine (original engine replaced prior to delivery) and am not worried personally. Its like the 996/Boxster IMS issue, if the cars were as unreliable as it seems from the internet the roads on our fair island would be littered with broken Porsche's.
I do regularly hit 9k with mine.
Regards
Fred _________________ Current 14 991 GT3, 986S, 2017 Cayenne Diesel Platinum
Previous 997 GTS, 996 GT3
Flat out to the end of the road!
The warranty can be bought until the car is 15 years old. Its well worth while regardless.
Porsche have not abandoned owners of 991.1 GT3, not every car has had problems with the E1 engines.
I'm on an E1 engine (original engine replaced prior to delivery) and am not worried personally. Its like the 996/Boxster IMS issue, if the cars were as unreliable as it seems from the internet the roads on our fair island would be littered with broken Porsche's.
I do regularly hit 9k with mine.
Regards
Fred
Must be time to meet up again Fred. I really would like to hear that engine from the inside
Disco Estoril
Joined: 13 May 2008 Posts: 3931 Location: Hertfordshire
The warranty can be bought until the car is 15 years old. Its well worth while regardless.
Porsche have not abandoned owners of 991.1 GT3, not every car has had problems with the E1 engines.
I'm on an E1 engine (original engine replaced prior to delivery) and am not worried personally. Its like the 996/Boxster IMS issue, if the cars were as unreliable as it seems from the internet the roads on our fair island would be littered with broken Porsche's.
I do regularly hit 9k with mine.
Regards
Fred
But how many miles have you put on it? 30000+ ? More? _________________ Colin
Black 997 GT3 3.8 CS - Acquired for the 2012 season and beyond
Black 996 GT3 Mk2 - Gone, but will never be forgotten
s2000db Hockenheim
Joined: 06 Oct 2005 Posts: 744 Location: Sth Bucks
I've been a loyal, though not the most prolific Porsche customer, buying only new, and spending several hundred thousand pounds on their products and services, over the years..
Despite following my dealers advice about to apply for a GT3 I've been told that they're sold out.. For the second time..
This is utter tosh and BS imo, there's no reason that the mighty Porsche/VAG can't produce these cars in unlimited numbers should they so desire, and hence this is restrictive practice, and I'm sure that a decent lawyer could form a case on a EU level against them..
Anyway my pockets aren't that deep, but I bet a class action suit could be very interesting...?
So I can't even beg to own a brand new car, which I'll keep and cherish, yet it appears that serial flippers and bloggers, can get their hands on these things, and profit out of them when they move them on. Thus allowing the dealers to make at least twice the profit on the same vehicle!
Despite my love for the brand, ( I refuse to pay overs for something that's not actually rare) I suspect my relationship with Porsche might be coming to an end, and that there might be better places to spend my £150K with...
Perhaps somewhere that might treat me as a customer and not an irritation, any ideas?
When the interest rates start rising, and sales of these trinkets start to falter, I trust all of you who are affected in a similar matter, remind the dealers who are now chasing you for some business, of how things used to be?
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