Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:16 pm Post subject: 60 minutes of Porsche Ownership
After about a years search I found the car I have been looking for. It was a silver 2005 997 2S tip. It had an excellent history with a recent engine rebuild at a reputable workshop and a nice low mileage.
After a test drive I struck a good deal including a comprehensive warranty. I collected the car on Monday and I couldn't have been happier, it was the realisation of a childhood dream to own a 911.
However, after 30 miles of steady motoring, there was an unusual rattle noise from the engine and I pulled over only to see a huge puddle of oil all over the road.
I got the car towed to the car to the dealer and they are investigating. Initially they said it was an oil leak from an oil system solenoid, I did mention the dreaded IMS failure.
So, what should I do? Should I walk away with a full refund (Consumer Rights Act 2015) or get the engine rebuilt under warranty? I could end up with a car with a free rebuilt engine and a replacement upgraded IMS.
Any advice appreciated.
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Jam911 Barcelona
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 1259
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:31 pm Post subject:
What a nightmare for you.
Personally I would return it. _________________ Current '07 997 C4S
Ex '99 2.5 Boxster
silvermilnec Österreich
Joined: 20 Feb 2012 Posts: 897 Location: Leeds West Yorkshire
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:38 pm Post subject:
Sorry to hear of your experience, all that excitement to end like that!
I remember picking my first 911 up, I would have been gutted to have it start like this!
I'd return it, plenty of others out there!!
Good luck with what you decide!! _________________ 1996 944
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Albionmuz Silverstone
Joined: 28 Oct 2016 Posts: 136 Location: West Sussex
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:39 pm Post subject:
Every new owner's worst nightmare. If you can walk away with a full refund do it, would be my advice.
Feel for you _________________ 993 Targa manual
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rocket_richard Trainee
Joined: 01 Feb 2017 Posts: 61 Location: Goodwood
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:43 pm Post subject:
That was my initial thought too but, after a bit of calming down time and a call to Hartech there is a chance that they could rebuild the engine for me and someone else would foot the bill.
In an ideal world, the best car I could hope for is the one I still own with a Hartech rebuild. I'm expecting a call from the garage on Monday and hopefully some clarity on what they can offer me; currently my position is Hartech or my money back. Is that the best stance to maintain?
marconorth Monza
Joined: 06 Jul 2015 Posts: 190 Location: Cumbria
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:48 pm Post subject:
rocket_richard wrote:
That was my initial thought too but, after a bit of calming down time and a call to Hartech there is a chance that they could rebuild the engine for me and someone else would foot the bill.
In an ideal world, the best car I could hope for is the one I still own with a Hartech rebuild. I'm expecting a call from the garage on Monday and hopefully some clarity on what they can offer me; currently my position is Hartech or my money back. Is that the best stance to maintain?
I'm in 100% agreement. Hartech or refund 👍🏼 _________________ 2008 997.1 Turbo Man.Black/Black- Pampered!!!
MaxA Hockenheim
Joined: 11 Oct 2015 Posts: 698 Location: Helsinki
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:57 pm Post subject:
That's a good position to maintain. _________________ 2010 997.2 Carrera 4S PDK in Carrara White/Ocean Blue - not quite stock any more...
silvermilnec Österreich
Joined: 20 Feb 2012 Posts: 897 Location: Leeds West Yorkshire
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:04 pm Post subject:
marconorth wrote:
rocket_richard wrote:
That was my initial thought too but, after a bit of calming down time and a call to Hartech there is a chance that they could rebuild the engine for me and someone else would foot the bill.
In an ideal world, the best car I could hope for is the one I still own with a Hartech rebuild. I'm expecting a call from the garage on Monday and hopefully some clarity on what they can offer me; currently my position is Hartech or my money back. Is that the best stance to maintain?
I'm in 100% agreement. Hartech or refund 👍🏼
Plus 1 and my advice stick to this no compromise!! _________________ 1996 944
1998 968
2000 996 C2
2006 997 4S
2009 997 1.5 Turbo basalt black on black
T8 General
Joined: 29 Jun 2010 Posts: 12747 Location: Kent
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:10 pm Post subject:
If you can get a Hartech rebuild for free =
Anything less and I'd walk away from that particular car. There's plenty of others out there.
Good Luck and to 911uk
ps.
I can empathise with what you're feeling at the moment. On the day I picked my 996C4 up I came out to find this on my driveway! Fortunately it was only the RMS and I went on to enjoy 3.5 trouble free years.
_________________ 2007 Guards Red 997 Turbo Tiptronic
ex 2004 Polar Silver 996T Tiptronic
ex 2002 Seal Grey 996.2 C4 Tiptronic
ex 1978 Silver 924 Manual
apollokre1d Indianapolis
Joined: 06 Nov 2012 Posts: 2286 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:35 pm Post subject:
Jam911 wrote:
What a nightmare for you.
Personally I would return it.
+1 walk away and find another car.
rocket_richard Trainee
Joined: 01 Feb 2017 Posts: 61 Location: Goodwood
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:43 pm Post subject:
My oil leak was somewhat different!
And, thank you for the welcome and all the advice so far....
And, sorry the picture is 90 degrees the wrong way.
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Mr02ard Nürburgring
Joined: 10 Jan 2016 Posts: 436 Location: Ferndown- Dorset
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:43 pm Post subject:
Walk away, to much hassle. As said there are plenty of good ones available. _________________ 997.2 turbo s pdk
Basalt black/black
Albionmuz Silverstone
Joined: 28 Oct 2016 Posts: 136 Location: West Sussex
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:47 pm Post subject:
rocket_richard wrote:
That was my initial thought too but, after a bit of calming down time and a call to Hartech there is a chance that they could rebuild the engine for me and someone else would foot the bill.
In an ideal world, the best car I could hope for is the one I still own with a Hartech rebuild. I'm expecting a call from the garage on Monday and hopefully some clarity on what they can offer me; currently my position is Hartech or my money back. Is that the best stance to maintain?
I'll be surprised if they sanction a full rebuild but if so, it is certainly an attractive option. Not sure I'd ever trust the car again though. _________________ 993 Targa manual
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IanG1 Newbie
Joined: 08 Jan 2016 Posts: 30
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: 60 minutes of Porsche Ownership
rocket_richard wrote:
It had an excellent history with a recent engine rebuild at a reputable workshop and a nice low mileage .
If the rebuild was recent and the workshop reputable I would assume their is some form of warranty that the seller would want to make use of? Personally I would return and look elsewhere not worth the haste there are plenty of nice cars out there.
Thefinn Monza
Joined: 11 Jun 2014 Posts: 215 Location: Essex
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:04 pm Post subject:
Not a small leak if you can I would return it and look for another. _________________ 997.1 C4S CAB triple black
rocket_richard Trainee
Joined: 01 Feb 2017 Posts: 61 Location: Goodwood
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:15 pm Post subject:
Thank you for your input so far. I like to think I'm in a strong position, I have the law very firmly on my side with the Consumer Rights Act 2015. I am entitled to a 100% refund within the first 30 days and I shall happily request this but, I could get a car with rebuilt engine and that would put my mind at ease over the next few years.
The (after market) warranty is in my name and if I do walk away this will put the financial burden on the dealer; I imagine he is well aware of this. If the warranty company doesn't want to foot the bill for a whole engine rebuild then the dealer may want to make a contribution to ensure I am happy and accept the car with the Hartech rebuild I want.
If I go elsewhere, I could be buying a car with a problem around the corner and it does appear that I'm not very good at picking Porsches!
I will wait and see what the dealer says on Monday and then share the news!
MilSub Spa-Francorchamps
Joined: 10 Jun 2014 Posts: 296 Location: Hampshire
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:18 pm Post subject:
Really feel for you - not a great start to 911 ownership
If it was me and I was given the option of a full refund, I would take it and find another car. _________________ 1996 Carrera 4
Thefinn Monza
Joined: 11 Jun 2014 Posts: 215 Location: Essex
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:19 pm Post subject:
Good luck. Keep us posted on how it turns out hopefully you will have it sorted soon _________________ 997.1 C4S CAB triple black
silvermilnec Österreich
Joined: 20 Feb 2012 Posts: 897 Location: Leeds West Yorkshire
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:24 pm Post subject:
Who the warranty with and are we talking well known Porsche dealer or generic car dealer? _________________ 1996 944
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rocket_richard Trainee
Joined: 01 Feb 2017 Posts: 61 Location: Goodwood
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:38 pm Post subject:
It's with a (good quality) second hand car dealer and it's a generic warranty - you know the ones that are almost not worth the paper they are written on.
My eyes are WIDE open with this!
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