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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:46 pm    Post subject: Becker Cascade Pro incoming, compatibility conundrum Reply with quote

The car (1998 cab) currently has:
Porsche (Becker?) CR-21 cassette head unit
Nokia 6x40w amplifier
Porsche (Becker?) CDC-3 CD Multichanger

I've got a Becker Cascade Pro heading my way with remote microphone and GPS antenna - my understanding is that the GPS antenna goes under the alarm blinky LED in the centre of the dash-top and that the microphone goes behind the grill to the right of the clocks, so that's all fairly well understood.

What I don't know is whether this is as simple as "pull cr-21, unplug all cables, plug same cables into into Cascade, insert unit in dash", or whether this is going to take hours of frustrating head scratching and Googling to get everything to work together - has anyone done this and can help with advice?

My (largest!) assumption is that the Cascade will play well with the Nokia - can anyone comment on that?

The CD multi-changer seems a bit redundant given that the Becker has a CD drive but my intention was to leave it as it doesn't seem to do any harm and maintains (a degree of) originality. I'm intending on keeping the existing head-unit (in a box in the garage) in case the next owner wants to go back to stock.

Final thing (but answered in a different thread) I'll be moving the heated seat switches to the main-switch positions on either side of the stereo/air-con units as I'll be fitting the GT3 console-delete at the same time.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a similar replacement with a Becker Grand Prix. There was one small difference - the pin on the connector that turned the amp on was different. It all plugged in ok and seemed to work, but no sound came out.

I had to make a small jumper cable to connect the relevant pins together.

If you get the same problem, let me know and I'll dig out the details of exactly which two pins were affected.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Collected the Becker from the UPS point after work today, I'll have a preliminary crack at fitting it tomorrow, wondering about the microphone at the moment - specifically where to put it and how to get the cable to it neatly.

I'd like to use the OEM location but everyone says that it is rubbish from a sound quality perspective so I'm thinking about putting it on the A pillar - anyone care to weigh in on this?
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excuse the crappy picture- it was a little gloomy in the garage.

Mine sits pretty unobtrusively on top of the steering column. Everyone I've spoken to on the phone has been able to hear me...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great, thanks for that - I've got the same microphone and tbh can't see how it would be possible to attach it behind the grill whilst still maintaining the "point this end toward sound" aspect.

That said, I'd very much like to have no cable visible at all, anywhere.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sit the microphone on the little shelf in front of the head unit, very easy, no wires showing and pics up sound fine.

Pics on my journal install ....

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=82158&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=109
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did read that- thanks for the link.

Last night I ordered the actual Porsche microphone that replaces the grill beside the clocks, will have to reterminate the cable but will try that first in order to look as OEM as possible, if is rubbish I'll put the directional mic on the steering column.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive not seen that before, 996 part Question
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goes just to the right of the clocks in the dash, where (on a 996) there's a little grill.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, it's all in and working - some takeaways from this:

- The Cascade Pro can't make use of the Porsche (Becker) CDC-3
- The Cascade Pro won't slot straight into the dash without some modification (I'll get more detail on this when I pick the car up), I was warned that the old radio might not fit back in/might not be able to be refitted.
- It took over six hours of work including the button relocate and GT3 centre console delete fitting
- I'm excited to get the car back
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a cascade pro in mine without any mods to the dash?
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool Thumb
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The firmware CD that I got with the head-unit says "5.0" on it, would anyone know if this is a high enough level for the unit to recognise CF cards larger than 2GB in size? Also, can this level be updated via CF card alone, or does it require a CD-rom?
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With huge thanks to John I now have 2017 maps running on the (close to) OEM navigation unit in my 1998 911.



I also treated myself to the Porsche brolly which is now tucked away in the passenger cill storage bin.

Now, how to sort out my fogged and swirled rear window ahead of summer arriving?
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thumb glad it worked
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I gave up trying to update mine. Spent hours trying to set the CF card up. Sad
 
  
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