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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:03 am    Post subject: Ohlins, KW or Bilstein coilover 996 turbo Reply with quote

Ok, Which is 'best'? what are the differences?
Anyone got experience of the above? good/bad? Other brands?
Get chatting
Thanks guys 👍
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Latest 911 & PW has the conclusion of a long running article on one of the writer's cars, a 996 C2.

Went with Ohlins in the end. It's a good read. thumbsup
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ohlins are a whole different product. I have them on my turbo after researching the above. They are an amazing product. Not at all crashy on B roads yet when you lean on them they really stiffen up, amazing tech.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mine is 997 but love my ohlins. wouldn't hesitate to fit to any car
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Plynchy + 911tom👍
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My girlfriend now prefers to be a passenger in the 911 rather than the Volvo since the Porsche got Ohlins- better ride, much less roll and pitch (close to none at all).
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree the ride is actually better and smoother than stock suspension. These aint no typical coilovers.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Jim + dammit
This is going to be expensive 😂
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ran Bilstein B14 (inverted gas filled monotube height adjustable coilovers) on my R53 Cooper S for many years, until a slight knock developed in the right front. They're a fine coilover, but very firm, and very much a track-oriented ride, even with smaller 16" lightweight rims and non run flat tyres. I finally replaced them with Öhlins R&T and couldn't be happier, really progressive, great quality damping, and excellent body control. And quite a lot lighter than the B14s to my surprise, as they're aluminium. Thoroughly recommended, and with good ride quality thrown in.

If I wasn't running Bilstein Damptronics (PASM) with the TPC Racing module on my 9972 I wouldn't hesitate for a moment. Grin
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I was buying new then 100% I'd be going for Ohlins.

Luckily for me my mate Craig has just bought some Ohlins as he's run out of things to buy for his car so is starting again on it.

I'm getting his rebuilt KWV3s which are pretty damn good anyway.
Not all coilovers are crashy. The KWs are brilliant. I wouldn't fit them if they were too hard.

Definitely Ohlins though if buying new. They're actually cheaper for the Turbo than the Carreras too.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is another option: Exe-TCs.

I managed to source some second-hand for just a little over Ohlins money and they're even better. Extremely compliant, but mega-controlled; total voodoo.

Particularly helpful that I'm only a few miles from Exe-TC HQ; the guys are super friendly and helpful.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ohlins for a C4S are £2.5k nooo
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone,
the Exe-Tc are very nice and even come with the new top mount/bearing front and rear, but I cannot find a price anywhere? I may give them a call.
No one has mentioned Bilstein coilovers? Is there a reason?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not certain, but Exe-TC new are around £5K, sorry to say.

They used to be £8K until about 2 years ago...... Surprised Surprised Surprised

Their WRC stuff is £40K.....but those teams can afford that.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EGTE wrote:
Not certain, but Exe-TC new are around £5K, sorry to say.

They used to be £8K until about 2 years ago...... Surprised Surprised Surprised

Their WRC stuff is £40K.....but those teams can afford that.

Wow😳
That rules those out then, As my car is only occasional track or road use, just that the shock absorbers where noted at the last test for external corrosion, and are the original one's so due for renewal.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bilstein will overhaul the originals at reasonable cost apparently.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does it have to be a coilover? How about Koni TA struts with some H&R springs.
I found the Koni adjustables very good in the past for fast road driving.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

plynchy wrote:
Bilstein will overhaul the originals at reasonable cost apparently.


Tried that, cant remember which but one end front/rear is not rebuildable though.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you know if your shocks are mullered? Can they be tested?

My 4S has done 112k, 2003 reg so I'd imagine they well past their best, but it feels OK and controlled, albeit a bit harsh and 'crashy' at the rear particularly over the ridges, potholes and general hatefulness that is an oxfordshire B road.

Rebuilt existing would be £480, Design 911 have new OE ones on special for £883.

Ohlins are £2960 Surprised
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the Bilstien coilovers.

I have mixed feelings about them.
When I first put them on the car with the standard anti roll bars and set up by Precision, the car felt nicely sprung on the round, smoother over the bumps, but I felt a tad soft.
I wound the adjusters right up and it was better.
Then I took the car to the Nurburgring and defiantly felt that the suspension was to soft.
I spoke to Centre Gravity and they advised uprated anti roll bars as well.
After fitting these and having a proper set up at CG, I'm very very happy with how the car handles.
Its composed on bumpy british roads and awesome on the Nurburgring and trackdays.
I was a bit miffed that I needed the bigger ARBs.
After only about 10,000 miles a knocking sound appeared front rhs and CG said it was a "DU" bushing loose inside the shock.
Ive just had the front overhauled/repaired by Bilstien UK and indeed a DU bush was loose, but also one of the tops of the stanchions was bent, so I've had one of those replaced as well.
Im just in the process of fitting them back on the car....
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