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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:04 am    Post subject: 991 C2 manual....£42k....with 105k miles.... Reply with quote

No affiliation and not a colour I would go for but this must be the cheapest 991 I've seen:

http://www.dovehousecars.com/car/944-porsche-911-991--3-4-carrera-coupe
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the cheapest one I've seen too. Obviously all down to the 100k+ miles.

If it was a 20 year old 993 with that mileage it would be a similar price.

I wonder which most people would choose. Question
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still wouldn't Yuk

Fairly poverty spec (3.4, manual, solid paint, tombstones, basic SW, tiny alloys, no sunroof or wiper or Bose etc etc)

Sometimes saving money upfront means shooting yourself in the foot later.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT4 wrote:
Still wouldn't Yuk

Fairly poverty spec (3.4, manual, solid paint, tombstones, basic SW, tiny alloys, no sunroof or wiper or Bose etc etc)

Sometimes saving money upfront means shooting yourself in the foot later.


Agreed, looks like the buyer knew he was going to make a loss due to the miles he was covering and went cheap.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or just dipped under the company car monthly payment limit.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Still wouldn't Yuk

Fairly poverty spec (3.4, manual, solid paint, tombstones, basic SW, tiny alloys, no sunroof or wiper or Bose etc etc)

Sometimes saving money upfront means shooting yourself in the foot later.


They're the good things IMO. A basic car, manual box, no sunroof and easy on the options (less weight).
Buyers will be hunting for cars like this in a couple of years and turning them into fun weekend warriors and trackday cars. Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks the part despite the spec, engine bay looks a lot different with the big cover and fans.

How do they get enough air into the Engine bay on the Caymans/Boxsters? Is one side the air intake for the engine and the other allowing air into the engine compartment?!
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cableguy wrote:
GT4 wrote:
Still wouldn't Yuk

Fairly poverty spec (3.4, manual, solid paint, tombstones, basic SW, tiny alloys, no sunroof or wiper or Bose etc etc)

Sometimes saving money upfront means shooting yourself in the foot later.


They're the good things IMO. A basic car, manual box, no sunroof and easy on the options (less weight).
Buyers will be hunting for cars like this in a couple of years and turning them into fun weekend warriors and trackday cars. Wink

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You are so right (and I may just prove it, bear with me), but the critical factor is the 13 years between signing the original order and the subsequent owners appreciating it for what it really is.

Unfortunately, the plight of the nearly new is to not be the trophy it was intended to be.

And there is no way a 105,000 mile four year old is a track whore (unless we just redefined the M25)
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes just looking at a forum that we shall not mention, it appears the owner has posted and has been quite open about the fact he is simply trying to sell the car for more than the balloon/more than the finance firm are offering him (never bought a car on finance or had a company car so I'll steer clear of that subject)

I concur that a 991 with a rare 7 speed manual box, only 10-15% were specced that way, may in time become desirable, but that colour is a problem!

Fast forward 5 years and do we think £42k spent on this or a 997 (insert variant) or a 993 (Manual coupe) would be worth more? I'd say 993 (I refuse to mention 996 other than the manual turbo)

@gt4 - do we call 19 inch standard alloys 'tiny'? Lol!

I know which would be the easiest for a bit of diy servicing!
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, certainly company lease car:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=231&t=1633965

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Our company car 991 (base model Carrera) is coming to the end of its lease term. It's just done over 100,000 miles on a 62 plate, still feels rock solid and has been main-dealer serviced all its life. Apart from some stone chips you'd never have a clue as to its mileage.

We have the option of buying it for hopefully a bit of a discount, which we were thinking about then selling on for a little bit of a profit. If I look at the cheapest 991s on here for example, it does feel like there's a bit of financial headroom to make a small profit.

I really don't want to buy it and then not be able to sell it because of the relatively high mileage though, and I haven't have the space to just hang onto it, however much we like it.

So my specific question is - would such a high mileage be an absolute show-stopper for you, even at a decent discount to similarly-aged vehicles?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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@gt4 - do we call 19 inch standard alloys 'tiny'? Lol!


It's all relative.

On a 991 you are a pygmy with only 19"

But you seem to have emoted the evidential list of its poverty spec.

They are the smallest and cheapest wheels available on that car, your view on what constitutes a large wheel, or not, is not relevant.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what money they can buy it off the finance company for. Question

Surely it would have to be very cheap to make the risk worthwhile.

The marketplace for a 100k+ car is small at the best of times and for a 4 year old car it must be tiny. In my experience most people prepared to take that option prefer to buy at auction for rock bottom price and certainly wont be looking to pay a dealer premium.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All a bit academic, the lease buy back post was back in November.

Given Dovehouse are making a margin and the lease co wouldn't be taking a bath on any option to buy, I suspect mid thirties at the highest!
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The return of Marty Wild wrote:
Looks the part despite the spec, engine bay looks a lot different with the big cover and fans.

How do they get enough air into the Engine bay on the Caymans/Boxsters? Is one side the air intake for the engine and the other allowing air into the engine compartment?!


On RHD, Driver's side is the engine bay vent (with forced flow fan) and Passenger side is the induction intake (although air may also passively enter engine bay here too)

Although, you do know the Boxster is WATER-COOLED, so it doesn't really need that much air flow!

The really cool thing is the air flow split on the new 991.2, where the deck lid top vents feed both engine breathing and intercooler, erm, cooling!
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding the colour, when I did the 993 factory visit earlier in the year I would say that 50% of the cars (including 718's etc) being manufactured were that colour. It was quite remarkable. I thought it was quite nice actually.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT4 wrote:


On RHD, Driver's side is the engine bay vent (with forced flow fan) and Passenger side is the induction intake (although air may also passively enter engine bay here too)

Although, you do know the Boxster is WATER-COOLED, so it doesn't really need that much air flow!

The really cool thing is the air flow split on the new 991.2, where the deck lid top vents feed both engine breathing and intercooler, erm, cooling!


Haha, I'm a noob, but I know the 993 was the last of the air-cooled, a very lucky/hard working mate had one when he was 21. I've loved the Marque ever since.

Interesting, thanks for the detailed explanation, I did wonder what it's like for the engine to be packed away so...
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always figured the intercooler sitting atop of the engine in the 911s to be a moderate design flaw/less than ideal situation. Did they ever have them down the front along with the radiators?
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

964/993 Turbo single intercooler was above engine (directly below deck lid)

But all water-cooled 911 Turbo road cars have their dual inter-coolers behind the the rear wheels.

On full fat Turbos, both side vents send air to the intercoolers and out the sides of the rear PU, on the low-fat 991.2s, the entry point is the top of the deck lid.



 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like it. Nice colouring a simple, no-nonsense car. If it was £35k ish I would buy it.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
That's the cheapest one I've seen too. Obviously all down to the 100k+ miles.

If it was a 20 year old 993 with that mileage it would be a similar price.



Hand It would be below 35 bags then. Dependent on condition. Bandit
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