Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:42 pm Post subject: 991.2 Targa 4S Lead Times
I placed an order on Saturday 12th November at the OPC in Guildford for a 911 991.2 Targa 4s.
During the conversations with the salesman I was told that Guildford OPC, as they were owned by Porsche I could expect more favourable lead times rather than a franchise OPC. I was initially told, based on a November order I could possibly expect a February delivery. To counteract the disappointment of learning I would have to wait three months, which was clear to the salesperson, I was also offered a stock ordered car or more probably, as I suspect, a cancelled order. The car came in the wrong colour and with the wrong options specified. I refused this as I felt spending over a £110k on a car it was important that It matched my exact requirements. Something which Porsche hold key to their overall customer experience.
We then refocused on ordering a new build with a March delivery rather than February as by adding a further month to the delivery time I could take advantage of the new 17 plate. I was then told that, at that stage the dealership had not been given their Porsche allocation for new builds for March deliveries, although they were expecting this in December. Based on this understanding I placed an order and a £5k deposit was placed with the dealership.
Now mid-way through December, I have just had a phone call from the salesperson saying that Porsche AG have not been able to offer them a build slot on a Targa 4s for a March delivery. In fact he was unsure if he would be able to offer anything firm in the May/July timescale either.
Is anybody else experiencing the same with Porsche at the moment as the salesperson also said, to try and placate me, that he had another customer who has a date in 2018 for a C2S Cab....
Is it worth trying another dealer.....or is there something else going on here that I am not seeing.....
Long lead times I get but not even have an understanding of a build slot seems way out of wack....
Norfolk & Idea Österreich
Joined: 15 Jan 2016 Posts: 910 Location: South Yorkshire
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:14 pm Post subject:
The truth is your SE won't have a frickin clue.
I've just taken delivery of a Macan GTS. When I slapped down a deposit 10 months ago I was basically told 'no chance' for 24 months. We got one in seven along with every tom, dick and harry.
I'm thinking of trying the same trick with a GT3.
Sorry this is not much help but the point is hang in there. _________________ 2012 997.2 Turbo Basalt Black
2008 Ducati 1098R (Track)
2016 Macan GTS
2008 Vito Sport- Household Star!
sideways Newbie
Joined: 17 Oct 2016 Posts: 48 Location: Surrey
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:41 pm Post subject:
Hi
Just got my 991.2 from Guildford, although just a regular Carrera.
Ordered on 11 Oct and delivered 30 Nov.
I was able to get the exact spec I wanted and was told it could be had for Dec latest if I ordered within 24 hours.
I suspect it's the Targa bit that is affecting your time slot. I was able to get an S in a similar time if I had fancied the extra 10k cost.
I hate waiting but I figured this is a car I always wanted and having waited 6 months in the 90's for an Impreza it's all relative.
I expected a good 4-6 months initially and they delivered early, so you never know...
Hope it all works out for you.
Well jealous I really wanted a Targa
Joined: 05 Oct 2016 Posts: 357 Location: Peterborough
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:55 am Post subject:
I would stick it out and wait. You could try other dealers and see if any are getting one with the spec you want within the next few months but there will be a queue of others doing the same I guess.
I suspect the once quirky Targa has become somewhat more desirable since it has morphed in recent years to be (IMO) one of the best looking 911s ever made. _________________ 997.2 C4S
jazzy2000 Trainee
Joined: 10 Nov 2015 Posts: 59
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:18 pm Post subject:
I would ring around 2 other dealers and see what they say against each other. Please post update as I would love to see how they complete for your 110k.
Lasrblueexige Trainee
Joined: 18 Sep 2016 Posts: 51
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:36 pm Post subject:
Well I have sent the following to the dealership's salesperson copying the Sales manager and the Principle today. I will as a matter of pure interest phone up two other OPC's tomorrow to see if they can get it any quicker.
I will continue with my order for the Targa 4s.
I understand the concept behind an extended Lead Time however I still find it difficult to understand why Porsche are unable to offer a build slot on a firm and deposit-taken order.
I have watched with fascination a video of the build process in the Porsche manufacturing plant and it is quite clear that multiple model types can be produced on the same manufacturing line. So the equation here is around order intake versus manufacturing output versus model variation component supply. All elements are within the capability of a professional organisation such as Porsche to estimate a future and realistic build slot.
I know someone that has just received his build to order Carrera from yourselves. He ordered it in Oct and it was delivered at the end of Nov. He was able to get the exact spec he wanted and was told it could be delivered for Dec latest if he ordered within 24 hours. He was also told he could get an S in the same timescales.
So bearing that fact in mind and that Porsche have a multi model production line, why is it that Porsche are unable to calculate when a build slot will be available for my order?
I am stunned that Chris Craft is comfortable knowing that his Sales Execs are put in a position that after a month after taking a sizable deposit from a customer that the best information offered to the exec with regard to a build slot is a very vague “May – June” ish!
I am sure Porsche can do better than this.
I am not naturally a moaner and in fact I have never made representation of this nature before but I do feel somewhat aggrieved. Specifically that my sizable deposit was hugely sort-after, with a clear indication that a build slot date would be made available to me in Dec. To be clear its not a delivery date but a build slot that I am after and I am also not putting a required date on the build slot either. If that happens to be in the second week of June so-be-it, as I recognise and understand the concept of extended lead times.
Let's see what transpires over the next few days....
Kryton Monza
Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Posts: 215 Location: Coniston, Lake District
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:34 pm Post subject:
There is a long waiting list I was told, this is mine
_________________ 991.2 GT3 in October, plus a Cayman 718 as a runabout in January.
Lasrblueexige Trainee
Joined: 18 Sep 2016 Posts: 51
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:33 am Post subject:
I know that many would say, having conceptually come to terms with spending over£100k on a car, I would be somewhat biased but I have to agree with Monkeynutz ....IMHO it is the prettiest 911 ever made.
Kryton wrote:
There is a long waiting list I was told, this is mine
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Lasrblueexige Trainee
Joined: 18 Sep 2016 Posts: 51
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:38 am Post subject:
As an update....
Just spoke to another OPC and he has told me that all the dealers have just received their build allocation for the next three months (Dec, Jan, Feb). Except for build to order there are no T4S's being produced for stock for any UK OPC. This effectively excludes me catching a stock car from another dealer. The next earliest build date will be March assuming that my order is high enough up the line otherwise it may fall into the April allocation. Currently the OPCs do not have visibility of the order intake beyond what has already been allocated. It takes 4 weeks from commencement of the build to delivery to the OPC. So the May - June ish delivery quoted by Guildford could be seen as realistic but probably conservative assuming that the build slot does slip into April.
Also the Sales Manager in Guildford phone me a few moments ago following my email and confirmed the above. He also eluded to the fact the T4S is considered as a prestige 911 model by Porsche and hence they throttle the availability which compounds the issue regarding extended lead times. Whilst at the same time protecting the residuals for the owner based on it resultant exclusivity.
Bottom line is sit tight!
GT4 Nordschleife
Joined: 08 Nov 2008 Posts: 30191 Location: Hertfordshire and Hampshire
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:58 am Post subject:
Very pretty car
Monkeynutz Spa-Francorchamps
Joined: 05 Oct 2016 Posts: 357 Location: Peterborough
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:21 pm Post subject:
Lasrblueexige wrote:
As an update....
Bottom line is sit tight!
Sorry to hear you have to wait longer than you would want to but be happy in the assurance that the wait will be worth it. Not only will you have an absolutely stunning motor but the depreciation will be healthier too _________________ 997.2 C4S
huwcymro Newbie
Joined: 04 Mar 2014 Posts: 29
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:03 pm Post subject:
I have had my CS4 gen 2 coupe on order since begining of September, I still do not have a build date but was promised at the time it will be ready for March. I have also not submitted my final spec.
Kryton Monza
Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Posts: 215 Location: Coniston, Lake District
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:16 pm Post subject:
Lasrblueexige wrote:
As an update....
Just spoke to another OPC and he has told me that all the dealers have just received their build allocation for the next three months (Dec, Jan, Feb). Except for build to order there are no T4S's being produced for stock for any UK OPC. This effectively excludes me catching a stock car from another dealer. The next earliest build date will be March assuming that my order is high enough up the line otherwise it may fall into the April allocation. Currently the OPCs do not have visibility of the order intake beyond what has already been allocated. It takes 4 weeks from commencement of the build to delivery to the OPC. So the May - June ish delivery quoted by Guildford could be seen as realistic but probably conservative assuming that the build slot does slip into April.
Also the Sales Manager in Guildford phone me a few moments ago following my email and confirmed the above. He also eluded to the fact the T4S is considered as a prestige 911 model by Porsche and hence they throttle the availability which compounds the issue regarding extended lead times. Whilst at the same time protecting the residuals for the owner based on it resultant exclusivity.
Bottom line is sit tight!
Good to have my OPC's comments confirmed, and residuals should be good _________________ 991.2 GT3 in October, plus a Cayman 718 as a runabout in January.
Kryton Monza
Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Posts: 215 Location: Coniston, Lake District
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:17 pm Post subject:
GT4 wrote:
Very pretty car
Thank you, just 2 months old now _________________ 991.2 GT3 in October, plus a Cayman 718 as a runabout in January.
6appeal Nürburgring
Joined: 02 Jan 2016 Posts: 381
Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:43 pm Post subject:
Porsche are no different to any other dealer... there is never a guarantee and your deposit does not guarantee you a build slot; even if you paid full payment 100% for the car up front, that still won't get you a build slot. Simply have to wait the turn and the many variables. Easily expect a minimum 3 month lead period and being realistic you could have up to circa 10 month lead.
When I first enquired I was advised circa 3 to 4 months... in the end, it was 6 months lead period.
Well worth the wait! _________________ Present:
991.2 Carrera, SC, PDK, Toys
Yamaha MT01
VW T2 Bay Window 1976
Past:
640d GC, 635d Coupe, RS6 C5, Audi TT 225 Coupe, Astra with wind up windows, Citroen ZX, Rover 213, yes behold, a Rover 213... Renault 5
Catch Newbie
Joined: 06 Apr 2013 Posts: 2 Location: Bucks
Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:40 pm Post subject:
I placed my order in May for a Turbo S and picked it up yesterday. Worth every minute of the wait. Hang in there!
Targas old and new are way up there with my favourite 911's. Lovely lines.
Cheib Monza
Joined: 20 Feb 2016 Posts: 217
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:28 pm Post subject:
I was told by my OPC that they'd got a very low allocation of cars for Q1 across all "sports cars" i.e. 911, Boxster and Cayman. This was mentioned in psssing when I was checking on the arrival of my new Cayenne. Last time I was in there I was ogling a 991.1 Targa and was told new one's were very,very hard to get slots for.
Kind of confirms similar to what you heard OP. I was shocked at their allocation for Q1 almost non-existent! _________________ 997 GTS Manual
Cayenne S Diesel
6appeal Nürburgring
Joined: 02 Jan 2016 Posts: 381
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:49 pm Post subject:
Am liking the targa, but don't want 4wd... would be great if they did a rwd only, nice to order for 2018. _________________ Present:
991.2 Carrera, SC, PDK, Toys
Yamaha MT01
VW T2 Bay Window 1976
Past:
640d GC, 635d Coupe, RS6 C5, Audi TT 225 Coupe, Astra with wind up windows, Citroen ZX, Rover 213, yes behold, a Rover 213... Renault 5
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