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mzmini
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:10 pm    Post subject: Catastrophic engine failures - others have problems too Reply with quote

There's been a lot of talk lately about engine failures, bore scoring on 997.1 and 997.2 etc. etc. ........

Some marques can make your nightmares a lot worse and if, like me you happen to own a Land Rover Discovery if you worried about everything that could possibly go wrong you'd never sleep again. For example, to change the glow plugs on the Disco 3 you have to take the body off, so that's probably a 2 day job and a cost of over £2k with a main dealer.....!

This is a list of TDv6 failures that would make your eyes water - from snapping cranks, failed oil pumps, spun bearings to full engine failures:

http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/showthread.php/261614-Links-to-Discovery-TDv6-SDv6-Failure-Reports

For a lot of these failures, a new engine is the only solution at a cost of £10k

..... perhaps we've not got it so bad after all..??
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my brothers lotus elise is a box of bollocks, he is on his 2nd head gasket needing changing, ok, its not catastrophic but they aint the best cars.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not just discos mate all LRovers are a bit of a lottery!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good thread Chris, There are lots of Marques with rumoured issues. we would all be on bicycles if we believed them all. Thumb Grin
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep Seeforz had a p38 it needed a new engine and gear box it had gone porous around the bores , being the fool I am Sad , i got another guess what a new engine need again ,licked my wounds and brought a L322 owned it for 119 days in the garage for 56 of them before I backed it
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Land Rovers in 'not reliable' shocker. It will be in the Daily Mail tomorrow.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

out of all my vehicles the best was a citroen berlingo van, I did 50k miles in it and dident even change the oil, I only sold it because I bent it, it had 120k on it and was running perfectly, what a vehicle.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My landrover is supremely reliable! Question

 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So very true chaps Thumb

My last but one daily driver, Mercedes W211 E280 Sport 100,000k :

Induction air intake flap servo motor failure (known issue inside the intake manifold, instant failure ) £2500 and 5 days off the road.

Front/ NS wheel squeak, took it in to dealer to diagnose, nothing to worry about, probably just a piece of debris stuck in a brake pad, 500 miles later wheel bearing failure, new hub carrier, new hub, new brake disc, new ABS ring, new ABS sensor, new caliper.............5 days off the road £2500

Both within 3 months of each other Sad

All cars have their various foibles, the Porsche 911 ( in any guise ) of course have theirs Grin

Does it stop me driving the pants off my Porschas ? hell no Hand

Does it stop me driving the pants of my W212 E350 AMG Sport ? hell no Hand
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I bought my 330d BMW everyone told it it'd shat its auto gearbox any moment and cost me 1500 quid to repair. 80,000 miles later it never happened.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure if you google any car you'll get a long list of catastrophic issues.

The E60 M5 I run is supposed to lunch its big end bearings resulting in a new engine for £15k, among many other hugely expensive issues. But I've run it for 3 years and only paid £100 in non-service expenses Dont know
However I do know someone who spent £20k in a year on theirs Grin
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaoxter wrote:
I'm pretty sure if you google any car you'll get a long list of catastrophic issues.

The E60 M5 I run is supposed to lunch its big end bearings resulting in a new engine for £15k, among many other hugely expensive issues. But I've run it for 3 years and only paid £100 in non-service expenses Dont know
However I do know someone who spent £20k in a year on theirs Grin


Big end bearings and throttle actuators I think. The BMW diesels were known for injesting the swirl valves in the intakes and there have been VANOS rattle issues for years. The big end problems on the V10 and V8s are the only really expensive ones. The E46 subframe issue is also well documented but not all that expensive to fix. SMG pump failures can also be expensive.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cars break down and sometimes need repairs? Who knew....... what

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the problem with Porsche engine issues is that the brand is seen as a car for the wealthy manufactured by a Nation synonymous with a good solid engineering reputation which it undoubtedly is my Cabriolet new was £65K in the year 2000 and then to find out that there is possible intermediate shaft failure, cracked/broken piston liners etc possible even on a low mileage engine even with the benefit of a respectable full service history which can cause catastrophic failure in an engine with the considerable expense that follows just shouldn`t happen IMO, other Boxer engine manufacturers manage a design that doesn`t cause similar problems for owners.

I accept that the percentage of failures may not be that high (who really knows) but as internet use owners generally complain about the bad bits of ownership not the good bits that is not a lot of use if your engine suddenly goes pop one day and you are faced with a bill for several thousand £s.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm astonished sometimes that cars, being such massively complex and generally abused pieces of machinery, don't go horribly wrong more often than they do!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thoroughly agree with & support the comments of Delanor. Have said similar on this site myself recently. Porsche simply does not deserve the public's perception as the "Holy Grail" of automotive engineering.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the level of over engineering practice I have observed on various parts of the car I am surprised given the importance of the intermediate shaft and associated parts why the same practice wasn`t implemented on that part.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GARY S wrote:
Thoroughly agree with & support the comments of Delanor. Have said similar on this site myself recently. Porsche simply does not deserve the public's perception as the "Holy Grail" of automotive engineering.


The public's perception is that they are overpriced Beetles!

More seriously, routine maintenance costs on 'modern' Porsches is relatively low. Compare to the requirement for a £1.5k cambelt change every three yrs on a Ferrari 348 or 355, or even a £900+ E46 M3 insp 2 service.

Swings and roundabouts.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed but a 355 in 1995 with a paddle shift was circa £90K which is a bit of a price difference also a 355 is in no way a mass produced car so inevitably parts/service costs will reflect that also as I am aware Ferrari did not draw on the VW/Audi group parts bin for build components.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Delanor wrote:
Agreed but a 355 in 1995 with a paddle shift was circa £90K which is a bit of a price difference also a 355 is in no way a mass produced car so inevitably parts/service costs will reflect that also as I am aware Ferrari did not draw on the VW/Audi group parts bin for build components.

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You'd be surprised how many Fiat bits are in a 355, certainly trim components. And the cost does not excuse design flaws in those Ferrari V8s, inc valve guide wear, manifolds splitting and yes bore scoring.

And you raise an interesting point of £cost... people forget that a £13k 996 was a £65k car once, with commensurate running costs.

The issue to me was not the design flaws per se, but the way that they were handled. BMW and Jaguar repaired any car which was affected by Nikasil issues, Porsche should have done a recall and replaced all affected IMS bearings on a precautionary basis which would have helped their reputation.
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