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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:37 pm    Post subject: 997 GT3 RS 4.0 vs 911R Reply with quote

Now come on everyone, there's no way the 911R is worth more than double a 4.0!!!!!

The 4.0 - Manual? Check. Mezger? Check. Rare? Check. 500hp? Check. Looks amazing? Check.

Controversial???
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the 4.0RS fetches a similar amount to the R, no?

Like for like, I'd find it hard to overlook the R which is my current favourite 911 ever.

More controversially, are either of them worth 3-4 times as much as a standard GT3?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the 4.0 is circa 350k but the 911R is circa 700k?

Good point, a Mk1 996 GT3 Clubsport (if you can find one) at about 80k would be hard to beat.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure the JZM 4.0 RS was up for about £500k earlier and is now reserved and POA!

Maybe there's not such a difference in price between that and the 911R after all!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm sure the JZM 4.0 RS was up for about £500k earlier and is now reserved and POA!



It sold for 'north of 500k+".

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm sure the JZM 4.0 RS was up for about £500k earlier and is now reserved and POA!



It sold for 'north of 500k+".

RHD in Mexico Blue.



Err, £465K actually according to an unsuccessful bidder over on PH.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Gareth64 wrote:
I'm sure the JZM 4.0 RS was up for about £500k earlier and is now reserved and POA!



It sold for 'north of 500k+".

RHD in Mexico Blue.



Err, £465K actually according to an unsuccessful bidder over on PH.


"North of £500k" is what the guy that sold it told me when I asked him whilst I was at JZM on Thursday.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it has anything to do with the car's capabilities, it's just the car of the moment. I think the prices are all over the place right now. But it will be interesting to see what the spec of the new GT3 is released.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What we need is that Porsche announce that the 911R will be produced to order at the list price and go into production on these immediately to satisfy genuine enthusiasts who will enjoy their cars ....this will f**k up these speculators !!

Witness the numbers of GT4's at OPCs for way 'north' of their original list prices ...

Why Porsche continue to produce these in such small numbers defies logic ( mine anyway )

I would buy an 'R' if they were at list price ...!

I think we should lobby Porsche to set this in motion!!

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wishful thinking but I am with you. Beautiful track going road cars should be more within reach for all (more) to enjoy. They should do a small production run and then dump on the market to get rid of those that will never really drive them.

I will of course make an exception for the 991 range as they are not really proper drivers cars Very Happy - one up from a Google car Wink

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
NXI20 wrote:
T8 wrote:
Gareth64 wrote:
I'm sure the JZM 4.0 RS was up for about £500k earlier and is now reserved and POA!



It sold for 'north of 500k+".

RHD in Mexico Blue.



Err, £465K actually according to an unsuccessful bidder over on PH.


"North of £500k" is what the guy that sold it told me when I asked him whilst I was at JZM on Thursday.


He would say that wouldn't he.. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW it was put up originally listed at £529k
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

911TEL wrote:
What we need is that Porsche announce that the 911R will be produced to order at the list price and go into production on these immediately to satisfy genuine enthusiasts who will enjoy their cars ....this will f**k up these speculators !!

Witness the numbers of GT4's at OPCs for way 'north' of their original list prices ...

Why Porsche continue to produce these in such small numbers defies logic ( mine anyway )

I would buy an 'R' if they were at list price ...!

I think we should lobby Porsche to set this in motion!!

Terry


Agreed (not that I could afford one, but even so...) Porsche could sell all they could make, why let the speculators take all the profit?

They should impose a minimum mileage/usage charge at the first annual service, i/e less than 8000 miles driven, you are contractually obliged to pay an extra £200,000. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's just going to be another Museum piece, and I wonder just how many
circuits that car has seen ?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick w wrote:
That's just going to be another Museum piece, and I wonder just how many
circuits that car has seen ?

Cop


The Mexico one? I am fairly certain that the first owner took it at least to Spa and the 'ring, as was the case with its predecessor (he previously had a 3.8 in the same colour. almost positive that you have seen the 3.8 as I have a picture of that from the DN car park with James and Tracey in the background). Note that when the 4 litre was originally delivered it was specified with the decals deleted - one of the subsequent owners put those on and it looked miles better without. The vast majority of the total mileage on the car was done by the first owner though - the subsequent ones do seem to be treating it as a museum piece as you say.
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Disco wrote:
nick w wrote:
That's just going to be another Museum piece, and I wonder just how many
circuits that car has seen ?

Cop


The Mexico one? I am fairly certain that the first owner took it at least to Spa and the 'ring, as was the case with its predecessor (he previously had a 3.8 in the same colour. almost positive that you have seen the 3.8 as I have a picture of that from the DN car park with James and Tracey in the background). Note that when the 4 litre was originally delivered it was specified with the decals deleted - one of the subsequent owners put those on and it looked miles better without. The vast majority of the total mileage on the car was done by the first owner though - the subsequent ones do seem to be treating it as a museum piece as you say.


Now that you mention it, I do recall seeing a rhd 3.8 RS gen 2 in Mexico many
moons ago... Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick w wrote:
Disco wrote:
nick w wrote:
That's just going to be another Museum piece, and I wonder just how many
circuits that car has seen ?

Cop


The Mexico one? I am fairly certain that the first owner took it at least to Spa and the 'ring, as was the case with its predecessor (he previously had a 3.8 in the same colour. almost positive that you have seen the 3.8 as I have a picture of that from the DN car park with James and Tracey in the background). Note that when the 4 litre was originally delivered it was specified with the decals deleted - one of the subsequent owners put those on and it looked miles better without. The vast majority of the total mileage on the car was done by the first owner though - the subsequent ones do seem to be treating it as a museum piece as you say.


Now that you mention it, I do recall seeing a rhd 3.8 RS gen 2 in Mexico many
moons ago... Wink


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Senoj wrote:
nick w wrote:
Disco wrote:
nick w wrote:
That's just going to be another Museum piece, and I wonder just how many
circuits that car has seen ?

Cop


The Mexico one? I am fairly certain that the first owner took it at least to Spa and the 'ring, as was the case with its predecessor (he previously had a 3.8 in the same colour. almost positive that you have seen the 3.8 as I have a picture of that from the DN car park with James and Tracey in the background). Note that when the 4 litre was originally delivered it was specified with the decals deleted - one of the subsequent owners put those on and it looked miles better without. The vast majority of the total mileage on the car was done by the first owner though - the subsequent ones do seem to be treating it as a museum piece as you say.


Now that you mention it, I do recall seeing a rhd 3.8 RS gen 2 in Mexico many
moons ago... Wink


When were you in Mexico 🇲🇽 ?


You dope, you were there too when we saw that 997 GT3 RS Gen 2
in Mexico !.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No way Jose, I haven't been to Mexico 🇲🇽 for about ten years!

Its been a while since the Riviera too come to think of it.

500 bags, blimey, that's silly money.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did someone say riviera? Grin

It's a tough choice, but if both were the same price (RS4.0 & R), I'd take the RS probably. Ooh, no I'd take the R... Um .. hmm. I need to think about it a bit more Very Happy

NXI, nice article in 911 & Porsche World this month thumbsup

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