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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LaSource wrote:


Ja - must admit it is far too clean to be a track car at the moment! However I expect to decorate it with some patina on Monday.

I am hoping tje real life time delta is going to be that small so let's see. Are you running a standard exhaust?


No. It has a single exit, 2 box system. Large bore 3" and no cats. Its a bit fugly but a 25kg weight reduction.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No. It has a single exit, 2 box system. Large bore 3" and no cats. Its a bit fugly but a 25kg weight reduction.


And it doesn't sound like a bee in a coke can like the standard ones do. Floor
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Them be proper vexed bees!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Senoj wrote:
No. It has a single exit, 2 box system. Large bore 3" and no cats. Its a bit fugly but a 25kg weight reduction.


And it doesn't sound like a bee in a coke can like the standard ones do. Floor


I'm kind of missing that bee...

incidentally, that distinctive sound seems to made by the cats more than anything.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm booked in for a Spa/Ring double header but i doubt the GT3 will pass the noise regs now at Spa Hand

https://youtu.be/PtFRdwQfjcQ

Prob going the M3 route too. Whilst I've never had an E46 most of my mates have and I like them. Thumb

This one's tempting and would give many a Porker a run for it's money Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm booked in for a Spa/Ring double header but i doubt the GT3 will pass the noise regs now at Spa Hand

https://youtu.be/PtFRdwQfjcQ


That's not too loud. Spa has never been a problem for me & I'm too loud for any track in the UK (bar Silverstone) without using additional silencers
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This one's tempting and would give many a Porker a run for it's money Very Happy

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/bmw/e46-m3-00-06/bmw-e46-m3-v10/5848065?v=c


Until you wanted to turn left or right Very Happy
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Senoj wrote:
habanero wrote:


This one's tempting and would give many a Porker a run for it's money Very Happy

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/bmw/e46-m3-00-06/bmw-e46-m3-v10/5848065?v=c


Until you wanted to turn left or right Very Happy


Not sure that would be a problem as long as you remembered that it's not just the steering wheel you use for that but also the loud pedal Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do just a few a year Sad Very Slowly.... Floor and a Euro - trip Very Happy Very Happy both of which is where the car is in it's element, had it nearly 3 years now and feels like so much more still to learn.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That M3 is far too shiny....its well known in e46 land that the more polish you have the slower it goes... Very Happy

I took mine to Zandvoort last weekend. The last time i was there in my own car was 2012. Four years ago i was a slower track driver than i am today, not that i am any sort of "hand" now but what i mean is i would have been less brave in my then rather new and shiny Porsche. But, the GT3 was in the region of 2.05 per lap. The M3 last week was around 2.07. A well driven gt3 at Zandvoort is probably around 2.04, nxi will tell you what they would do on slicks, 2.01 maybe?

So, i was pleased with my old snotter Smile its no GT3, is no 911 for finesse but she is a game old girl and i enjoy trying to get the best out of it.


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...so at Silverstone last week I was getting 2:35 times in the M3 which I thought was not too bad. Certainly a few years ago that would be beating me in a 996 GT3 - admittedly now the M3 is some 7-9 seconds slower than I can do in a GT4 or a (track focused) 996 GT3.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not...as no one is tracking GT3's and talking about it Very Happy

So, at Silverstone you have about a 5% delta to the Porsche, assuming GT4 and slightly tweeked 6GT3 are similar. More seat time and a bit more weight reduction im sure it would be closer.

My experience is similar, at Zandvoort closer to 3% and at the ring maybe similar but so many variables....

Good fun though. I can't honestly say when driving the M i am not feeling short changed, its good fun trying to get the best out of anything really although on the one occaision i took my golf gti on a circuit its was awful...the basics have to be there, brakes, some grip, noise and a bit of power to weight after that alls good. Ther is quite a bit of modding to do on the e46 to get it in the zone but it's relatively cheap and an enjoyable process. The thing it really hammers home though is how damn good the GT cars are out of the box.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why not...as no one is tracking GT3's and talking about it Very Happy

So, at Silverstone you have about a 5% delta to the Porsche, assuming GT4 and slightly tweeked 6GT3 are similar. More seat time and a bit more weight reduction im sure it would be closer.

My experience is similar, at Zandvoort closer to 3% and at the ring maybe similar but so many variables....

Good fun though. I can't honestly say when driving the M i am not feeling short changed, its good fun trying to get the best out of anything really although on the one occaision i took my golf gti on a circuit its was awful...the basics have to be there, brakes, some grip, noise and a bit of power to weight after that alls good. Ther is quite a bit of modding to do on the e46 to get it in the zone but it's relatively cheap and an enjoyable process. The thing it really hammers home though is how damn good the GT cars are out of the box.


Fully agree with every point.

The M3 is 80% there with a few things to do to it. Agree more seat time needed. My brakes were actually really good and I wasn't making the most of them as I kept thinking surely this car is supposed to be too heavy Smile

Agree you need the basics there to ensure you can run trouble free for a good stint - suspension, brakes, cooling - all of which need attention on an M3 and exactly as you say its been an enjoyable process to get it there. I have even picked up a spanner to do some things myself! But it really does hit home how fully developed the GT3s are for motorsport use! On previous GT3s one still needed to change tyres or brakes to get most out of them, however with the GT4 it is banging out relentless 997 pace times straight out of the box
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I need to drive a GT4 to see what the fuss is all about but even the Cayman S had some serious circuit pace. Is it an easier car to get the time from though?

At Oulton in March this year i was about following about half a lap behind a GT4 and SPyder in the RS and i like to think i was gaining on the pair of them but if i so it was marginal..two similar cars going at eachother tend to be quick though 😀
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I need to drive a GT4 to see what the fuss is all about but even the Cayman S had some serious circuit pace. Is it an easier car to get the time from though?

At Oulton in March this year i was about following about half a lap behind a GT4 and SPyder in the RS and i like to think i was gaining on the pair of them but if i so it was marginal..two similar cars going at eachother tend to be quick though 😀


Well a Gen 2 RS is a quicker car anyway so you should be gaining if both being peddled to the same extent.

Is it easier to get the time from? Hmm. I think that is a little overplayed. Yes it is perhaps easier to get to 80% and it's more forgiving when things go a bit wrong - mid bend correction is easier than with a 911. And since it has natural balance and pace, a GT4 can be driven at the same lap time as say a 996 GT3 more easily (say 2:35ish at Silveratone).

However, if you want to push on - say sub 2:28 at Silly or sub 2:50 at Spa - then I don't think it is easy. So I guess it depends where you are with reference to its performance envelope.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A well prepared E46 M3 race car (BMW Kumho or Classic Sports Car Club)on slicks is on par with 997 Cup cars in terms of outright pace and for sure quicker than any street 996/997 GT car on slicks, and I would hazard a guess would give most 991s a fright in the right hands. So knock them at your own peril Hand

As for tracking the GT3 - had a fabulous day at Bedford - despite being black flagged almost three times - during Bank Holiday Monday just gone. Faultless performance by the old girl. Roll on the next one. Mileage went to 34,000 while I was on track, which was a nice touch too.. Thumb
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Good stuff Ade, keep up the good work Wink
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DN 16 next week.

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Been a busy summer, but I've taken the GT4 out to Spa (awesome) and Brands (binned off after an hour for being too loud)

The GT3 will get a run out to Goodwood in Oct I think, as I recon the GT4 will get binned off there too.... sadly

GT4 also did a 2k mile trip to the mountains last month, so it's being used as intended.

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