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cambjones
Barcelona
Joined: 20 Apr 2010
Posts: 1404
1997 Porsche 993 Carrera 4
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 Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 1:49 pm Post subject: Engine Issue - Trucked Away
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Headed off for a weekend at a mates place in the Cotswolds... loads of traffic going through London as a result of the 911uk protest so it was a lot of stop start....
Lost power, weird kind of noise, sounded like it was running on <6 cylinders.. ... I rolled over to the side of the road... cranked it again and gave it a rev and I was off... I put it down to dirty fuel.
Did it again... in single lane congested road... stress levels on my wife's face was rising. Cranked it again and was off.
Did it again... figured it might need an Italian tune so I diverted around Regent's Park... conked out again.. I decided to head home and swap cars..
Got it going again, headed up the outer circle of Regent's Park and again lost power, this time completely. I decided there might be something more too it...
When I pulled over there was smoke coming out the engine.. I got out of the car and a 70-year-old in a convertible Merc pull over and said there was a 'massive' flame that came out one of the exhausts.. he looked impressed... funny, his 30-year-old girlfriend was disinterested.
So I rang roadside assistance and got it trucked to the nearest Porsche garage that has some air-cooled experience, and was still open at 4pm on a Saturday. Thankfully these guys fit the bill www.911sbd.com. The guy on the phone assured me the had a plenty of air-cooled experience, highlighting they had 3 up on lifts today.
They had good google reviews and nothing else was probably open sat afternoon anyway.
Roadside assistance came and got it up on the back of the flatbed.
911sbd seem pretty cool... some really old Porsches in there getting rebuilt so I feel like I'm in good hands.
They said it sounded like there was an issue with one of the cylinders and it was getting flooded with fuel hence the flame and the smoke. They said it could be a range if things, ranging from not very expensive to very expensive.
I find out Monday or Tuesday.!!
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madalaa
Fuji
Joined: 13 Mar 2008
Posts: 9142
Location: West London
2009 Porsche Boxster (987)
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:03 pm Post subject:
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....... holding thumbs and fingers crossed for you Cam .......
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ColinC
Österreich
Joined: 16 May 2013
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Location: Sunny Central Scotland
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Hope it's something simple.........on a positive it looks great on that flatbed!
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ColinC
Österreich
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Hope it's something simple.........on a positive it looks great on that flatbed!
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Pickled Piper
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Joined: 07 Aug 2004
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Location: United Kingdom
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 3:17 pm Post subject:
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Broken distributor belt perhaps?
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eyecandy993
Nürburgring
Joined: 22 Jan 2010
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Location: Malta
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 4:10 pm Post subject:
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| Pickled Piper wrote: | | Broken distributor belt perhaps? |
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'94 model 993 C2, LHD Mid-life crises acquisition. It does treat the pain of getting old!To keep till I can afford it.
'85 model BMW 316 - my first car from new, fully restored and to be kept.
Renault Clio 1.5 Cdi and Grand Scenic 1.9Cdi
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cambjones
Barcelona
Joined: 20 Apr 2010
Posts: 1404
1997 Porsche 993 Carrera 4
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 4:26 pm Post subject:
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Thanks chaps.
The truck guy was very nice and told me on the way out his wife just walked out on him this morning. He has 3 of her kids from her prior marriage, and and extra 2 together with the most recent being 14 mouths old. Oh and he has another 3 kids from his prior marriage.
Puts things into perspective.
I'll update with the prognosis.
It did have some oil leaks which I needed to attend to in the next couple of years, but not urgent. Will be interesting to see if it's at all related.
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AP90
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Joined: 25 Sep 2004
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Location: Cornwall UK
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 8:46 pm Post subject:
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A 993 on a recovery truck!!!! Unheard of!!
Sorry for your troubles
Injector fault??
Hope it all goes well
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ChrisT70
Barcelona
Joined: 26 Mar 2015
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Location: The Sea
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 9:09 pm Post subject:
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Assuming it was a misfiring cylinder and popping flame etc once sorted change the oil n filter as it may be contaminated with petrol etc
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cambjones
Barcelona
Joined: 20 Apr 2010
Posts: 1404
1997 Porsche 993 Carrera 4
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:23 pm Post subject:
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Thanks for the tip Chris! It was due for a major service in July so I'll prob get that done at the same time now. Cheers.
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Zingari
Donnington
Joined: 25 Oct 2009
Posts: 12237
Location: Cheshire
1993 Porsche 964 Anniversary
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:25 pm Post subject: Re: Engine Issue - Trucked Away
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Hope it's not bad news. If you get it going I've 25 bags ready 
| cambjones wrote: | .. I got out of the car and a 70-year-old in a convertible Merc pull over and said there was a 'massive' flame that came out one of the exhausts.. he looked impressed... funny, his 30-year-old girlfriend was disinterested.
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Now this guy has got it right with a 40yr age gap 
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Me? The 13th Duke of Wybourne? Here? In a sixth form girl's dormitory? At three o'clock in the morning? With my reputation? What were they thinking of?
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cambjones
Barcelona
Joined: 20 Apr 2010
Posts: 1404
1997 Porsche 993 Carrera 4
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| Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:53 pm Post subject:
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No news today.. that doesn't bode well. 
Will update tomorrow.
I'll keep your offer in mind Zingari
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simonlin
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Joined: 17 Apr 2008
Posts: 29
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Hi! Hope it's not too serious.
I think the garage was called BCR before as Paul Mace was the owner
with another guy.I can't think of the other guys name.
I purchased my 993 there in 2001 and they were great then.
Hope they are the same now with new owners or Paul's ex partner.
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cambjones
Barcelona
Joined: 20 Apr 2010
Posts: 1404
1997 Porsche 993 Carrera 4
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:51 pm Post subject:
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Hey simonlin, glad to hear you had a good experience with them in the past... They are just a garage now. My experience with them so far has been good, they are very professional and communicative.
I spoke to them this afternoon.
They replaced the distributor cap as they said it was fouled however they doubted that was the cause of it, maybe just contributed.
They asked me if my fuel hose had been replaced as there was a recall on 993 fuel hoses... I was aware of the wiring loom recall but not a fuel hose. They are going to check that for me with a dealer.
They ran it on the lift and said it was running smoothly but wondered it needed to be warmed up which I suspect it does. He's going to drive it home to his house in Cambridge tonight to test it (after a bit of a drive around the garage first to make sure he does not get stranded).
I'll keep you updated...
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deMort
Reims
Joined: 21 Mar 2015
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Location: Brighton
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:00 pm Post subject:
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Not my area of expertise but flame out the back .. excessive fuel into the exhaust which then ignited ..timeing .. i doubt it from the description .. leaking injector .. possible .. dme relay .. the old favourite .. it would need to make and break .. so i think not .
Im going to go with fuel pump .. low pressure .. poor combustion excessive fuel in exhaust and can be intermitant .. either a poor connection or an old pump.
Best guess ive got im afraid .
Either way .. i hope its cheap 
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cambjones
Barcelona
Joined: 20 Apr 2010
Posts: 1404
1997 Porsche 993 Carrera 4
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Small update.
Raj the mechanic didn't end up driving it up as he was able to replicate the issue when they got the car up to running temperature on the lift. He said on deceleration he could hear it sounded like it was not firing on all cylinders.
He said it could be the injectors... but as I mentioned to him I'd had it remapped he said it could be (outside chance) that the data on the chip has been corrupted. He asked me if I had a flat battery recently.
So that morning I changed the battery as the old one had died.... possibly a massive coincidence.
They want to rule that out and try it with a new map before they start investigating the injectors.
I sent a text off to Wayne and he called me back within the hour!!! That's impressive... and he was super helpful suggesting things it might be... as he has never seen a map get corrupted.
He's going to give the mechanics a call to trouble shoot what it might be and possibly mail down a factory map for the mechanics to rule that out.
to be continued....
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AndyS
Barcelona
Joined: 25 Mar 2010
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Riviera Bob
Nürburgring
Joined: 07 Nov 2013
Posts: 460
Location: France
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:58 pm Post subject:
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Wayne gets a lot of stick for being difficult to contact (because he's so busy/good) - good to hear he's there if any problems though I doubt it's the chip as I had that same conversation when I had mine done...said he'd never had one corrupt.
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cambjones
Barcelona
Joined: 20 Apr 2010
Posts: 1404
1997 Porsche 993 Carrera 4
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:50 pm Post subject:
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Yep, I was very impressed when I got a call back so quickly. He was joking with me saying some people say he's harder to get hold of than Obama.
BTW he's secured his own space now and is in the process of setting it up to move out from 9M.
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Riviera Bob
Nürburgring
Joined: 07 Nov 2013
Posts: 460
Location: France
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:57 pm Post subject:
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Happy Days as I need my 3.2 doing!....fed up being overtaken by Citroen Deux Chevaux!
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