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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimbo wrote:
...I imagine there are a lot of disappointed souls out there when they go to test their M3 and they can't hear the exhaust...


Funnily enough there's a guy near me with an M4. He started it the other day at 6am outside my house. I thought someone had started a knackered Transit van, it sounded utterly awful. I went to the window and could not believe it was a brand new M4! Shocking.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point was that even if it sounded good, he probably wouldn't be able to hear it much of it inside the cabin.

What's the point, if the driver can't hear the exhaust he's paid so much money for? Those Maseratis sound great outside but you can't hear much inside.

Now if you've got a Cayman (ahem) with the manifolds not far from your head, with acoustic soundproofing, the right switchable exhaust, tuneable exhaust baffles and a lot of experimenting, you can get that Playstation sound inside the car that has no drone and doesn't hurt your ears.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a great model, worth taking time to find the right one.

Now for a few silly photos, next to the real thing when you get the chance. Smile




The RS noise is nice and lets you know of it;s intent. In a CS it is a different story, no soundproofing at all and steel syncro's play their own tune.

It does the "chainsaw cutting open a wasps nest" trick when the varioram comes in, fun while it lasts as after a couple of hours behind the wheel the noise takes it's toll!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brave man.

Or deaf Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"What was that?" ..... Smile
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimbo wrote:
My point was that even if it sounded good, he probably wouldn't be able to hear it much of it inside the cabin.

What's the point, if the driver can't hear the exhaust he's paid so much money for? Those Maseratis sound great outside but you can't hear much inside.

Now if you've got a Cayman (ahem) with the manifolds not far from your head, with acoustic soundproofing, the right switchable exhaust, tuneable exhaust baffles and a lot of experimenting, you can get that Playstation sound inside the car that has no drone and doesn't hurt your ears.
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Wise words Kimbo thumbsup

The flat six howl from a Cayman or Boxster is a thing of joy.

A 993 RS must sound beautiful.

Old-school turbos can also sound pretty good too: My 993 for one. Also listen to any Group B weaponry at full chat and it is pretty special, punctuated with pops and cracks from the waste gates.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tim993 wrote:
The flat six howl from a Cayman or Boxster is a thing of joy.


My old 986 Boxster with a £90 exhaust bypass (Hollamby mod) was absolute aural perfection on a still day, smooth road, with the roof down, wind deflector up, windows up. That configuration isolated the sound of the exhaust perfectly and you got the full howl with no extraneous noise, unless I had a Rick Astley CD on.

I never really got that pure exhaust sound (inside the cabin) in a standard 993, and I tried many exhaust configurations, maybe there was too much soundproofing.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those of you keen on the sound inside the car.

Here is a recent clip of PCGB 993 RS register secretary driving his 993RSR at Portimao.

Note, an RSR does not have Varioram, but runs on throttle bodies.

You can hear the transmission and diff working through the turns, something you can't pick up so easily on a road C2.

Exciting but as I say tiring after a while (wimp!).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zczU_9Wvj5o&app=desktop
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lovely, perfection.

What I've been striving for is to create that 'pure sound' of exhaust, engine, gearbox, but at a level that won't tire you out after a short space of time.

i.e: just like that but with the overall volume turned down to about 6 rather than 11.

The you can drive it all day.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wpozzz99zSS wrote:
That's a great model, worth taking time to find the right one. Now for a few silly photos, next to the real thing when you get the chance. Smile

At somepoint lol Wink

wpozzz99zSS wrote:
The RS noise is nice and lets you know of it;s intent. In a CS it is a different story, no soundproofing at all and steel syncro's play their own tune. It does the "chainsaw cutting open a wasps nest" trick when the varioram comes in, fun while it lasts as after a couple of hours behind the wheel the noise takes it's toll!

I bet it has a certain ring to it (not just in your ears lol), I can imagine it being quite intense. Mine with just a token smattering of unbacked light carpet, headlining and the odd bit of insulating pads in the front footwells takes the edge off just bare metal, but the mechanical menace behind still makes it's presence well known. Hope to see yours at somepoint. Good video btw, is that Paul Howells? Thumb
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes PH driving his RSR.

I had an M002 previously and have driven a lot of different examples, great cars, I used it as a daily driver and track day car for 3 years.

Now I use the RS as a weekend toy the M003 suits my needs, it has that sense of occasion.
Among the best Porsche made in my opinion and the newer "special" cars seem to be going away from what I want in a lightweight 911.
On that basis there will always be strong demand for as long as we are allowed to drive petrol cars.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First run of the year this weekend to blow the cobwebs off the ol' girl. Forgotten just how visceral and focused the drive is, ran superbly especially in the cool evening air, a bit 'tappety tappety' at first but subsided when fully warmed. Very Happy

Fitted the Intake Trumpet (993.110.360.51 Ansaugtrichter) from a turbo, to a previously bought spare airbox lid (internal duct is removed in the process too) and was very pleased with the increased induction noise, subtle but distinctive, especially on high rev lift offs into the bends Cool

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Couldn't resist, ended up getting the GT Spirit diecast Embarassed Detail is great but could be better on the speedline's and headlights, but overall pleased thumbsup Hope you don't mind a couple of photo's..

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

V cool!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Car is looking good NottsRS thumbsup I am a sucker for those scale models too; I have a few 993 including the Rauh Welt extra-wide bodied coupe.

~ Maxie
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Need someone to make a 'mini you'...or 1/18th scale you Grin

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HSC911 wrote:
Need someone to make a 'mini you'...or 1/18th scale you Grin

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Funnily enough http://my3dtwin.com/

Maybe just a bit weird, not sure...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^ classic ^^

did you just happen to chance upon that?... Grin


Maxie, I think I remember seeing a post with your diecast, quite a few I recall Thumb
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NottsRS wrote:
^^ classic ^^

did you just happen to chance upon that?... Grin

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You know how it is... one minute you are on the internet looking for LED light bulbs, then 4 hrs later...
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Your C4S was the best in the country IMO......but I do love a Riviera RS.....!


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