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Kimbo
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:01 pm    Post subject: So how would you value this one? Reply with quote



It's a 81,000 mile 993 C2 Tip which has been converted to look like a Turbo at a cost of £10,000.

It's up on Ebay at £34,995

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Porsche-993-911-/222052728636?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276
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I wonder who will buy it.

Purists won't like it.
Investors won't like it.
Zingari wouldn't like it.

I guess you could put this wide body replica back to stock.

Would it be worth it?

Interesting one.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like it ............ but I wouldn't pay £35k for it.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understsand this messing with cars, it can never be a turbo so why blow 10k to pretend. Better off spending the 10k on future maintenance and leaving it well alone.

Someone will buy it eventually, but not sure what they will pay.

I think some people give up trying to sell, and put them back in the garage.

It does look nice, but don't they all!
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm obviously missing something as that just looks like a turbo bumper on a narrow body car which has been left unchanged - save for a re-spray. These are all okay, I think?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Certainly not one for the purist.

The £10k spend is irrelevant TBH - the car is now what it is - it will appeal to somebody,

As for the price

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, I'm not a fan of the clear side indicator repeaters. But those are not bank breaking to put right...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@tim993 I think he has done the side skirts too along with front bumper.

I agree with the above comments this one isn't actually toooo bad, we have seen a lot worse, I personally think £30k absolute tops.

He may be better to sell the new unfitted H&R springs separately.

Slightly off topic, does anyone know the rule about that small size of front number plate - is it legal?
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote




Tim, I think it's got the wide body side skirts and arches. Or maybe just the side skirts? Quite a bit of blending going on there. I would have saved up a bit more and bought the S if I wanted that look.

Looks a nice car though.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much would an unmolested c2 tip with £80k go for? I'm guessing around £35k which is where I'd pitch this one.

If I was in the market for an auto and had a budget of £35k then personally I'd be happy to buy this one as it offers the same driving experience but with the sexy looks of the WB for NB money. If you prefer the NB then that's easier as you can just buy a std NB.

Obviously it would mean I could never post on here as the sandal brigade would slaughter me but if if i just wanted a car to drive, and look at and weren't buying for investment reasons then personally I see nothing wrong with this. If it was a LHD to RHD conversion I would be more concerned but a turbo bumper and some side panels is pretty tame.

Everyone goes on about values but thousands of people buy new 911's each year just to drive and loose the value of this car in the space of 12 months.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Kimbo - i see what you mean, i hadn't noticed the side skirts. I still think it is standard narrow body width, so these changes are pretty much cosmetic. He's not the first to have changed the front PU or indeed the rear spoiler for a turbo, RS or other look. The listing says: "There have been no modifications to the structure of the vehicle and the arches and shell of the car is completely original. " which kind of backs up my view that he hasn't touched the metal. I'm not too familiar with narrow body cars so others will be better able to judge this! Aside from all classic car prices being too high at the moment, this cars looks though it could be a decent buy, imho.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Tim, yes I think you might be right. I'm no authority on WB cars. I've always like the turbo bumper.

Dream911 - that's a refreshing point of view. If you like it, buy it and don't think about values. Nice.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something makes me think the new panels and full respray weren't "inspired" by a few stone chips (unless the owner is certifiable).

Those side skirts have been blended as per WB.

The thing is, if this conversion was done a few years ago, + £10k would have gone at least half way to buying an actual Turbo.

I'll pass on this one.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This seller has a passion for 911's and modifying to their personal taste. A couple of months ago the same seller had a very nice 911SC for sale that had a few choice modifications.

Horses for courses but not my bag... Trying too hard IMO.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny how attitudes differ... the only thing that'd put me off is the interior (and the Tip box), which would make me walk away.

The "£10K" that's quoted above as converting to Turbo-look includes the new front, spray, wheels and all the other bits a ~20yo car needs. Heck, the list of 911UK peeps who've spent over £10K on their NB car is going to be a long one! (...if only!).

I think he'll sell at that level, no problem.

(But have the Beckeratti seen the stereo... they'll be rounding up a lynch mob!)
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it my imagination or does the gap between bonnet and bummer look a bit large ........ Question
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a sub 100k milage 993 for 35k seems a good price - do people think its worth less because of the mods? Personally I think it looks awesome and knowing its had a respray and work done makes it more attractive imo. If it was a manual id gladly swap my original/unmolested one for it
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Each to their own I guess. I personally think the chap has (almost) created my ideal 993. Fit the H&R springs and add a manual box please!

The front bumper is a popular mod, as are the twists. The slightly avant garde addition of the side skirts on a NB may put some people off but, seeing as the front bumper (from the turbo) is a widely accepted, no questions asked mod nowadays (much like 18" twists are) I can't see as there should be a problem.

The guy is not asking enough in my opinion and, given its mileage, would make my standard 155k miler worthless!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't like it.... doesn't look a bad job, but why mess with a perfectly good NB.... And it doesn't look like a turbo anyway... the turbo spoiler would be needed to really achieve that.

Still if it's otherwise sound... not a bad price for 81k miler.

Would have thought there was a bit of work putting those cills on... wonder if they're steel and done 'properly'
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

madalaa wrote:
Is it my imagination or does the gap between bonnet and bummer look a bit large ........ Question
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Mmmm maybe a fan of British waterways (canals). it'll sell quite easily to a non purist. Lovely condition aesthetically for a new owner.

Don't know what the fuss is about. Especially when forum owners are constantly uploading mod'n pictures online with praise after praise being posted.

Live and let live.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was all going well until I opened the interior pic and discovered the blue wheel and dash what

In my book a 'straight' C2 Tip with that mileage comes in at £29k (£31k with a black dash) so I'd pitch this at 29 bags. No AC Surprised

All MOTs nice. No mention of service history though Hand

I then had it converted to the turbo look using genuine Porsche parts....... There have been no modifications to the structure of the vehicle and the arches and shell of the car is completely original.

If it's a 'conversion' that statement doesn't add up Dont know Why didn't he go the extra mile and add the split grille Rolling Eyes

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