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Cameltoe & Heel
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 3:28 pm    Post subject: Camel's Porsche 993 Targa Project Reply with quote

Fellow 993 nuts, some of you maybe aware of my story and some maybe remember me from five or so yrs ago when I had a 993 S. In fact a great bloke who frequents this site bought it from me. Hope he's still about.

I loved the 'S' but it was a very low mileage example and was somewhat of a garage queen which to be honest required very little doing apart from the usual to keep it in tip top shape. I say this as I fancy myself as a bit of an amateur mechanic, I really do enjoy the spannering.

Anyways, I've always wanted to get myself back into a 993 but funds and various commitments wouldn't allow. Anyway about fifteen months back I bought a crash damaged 993 Targa in Ocean Blue, lovely car in good pre-accident condition with FSH etc.

Apart from purchase an original set of wheels and a few bits to fix the roof I've done very little with the car so far due to a house move and the like, I've now started to look a repairing the car and get it back into the shape it deserves.

There's quite a bit to do on it, O/S rear suspension damage and and N/S rear quarter are the more obvious points. I've started the strip down of the back end. I intend to drop the engine and rear suspension, this will allow me to check the engine and box, remediate the suspension, also allow for easy access to replace N/S rear quarter.

Strip is started and can be seen below:-





From above, I have the engine lid and rear PU they've just been removed.



Down to the chassis legs, I was pretty happy with the lack of rust in comparison to some i've seen.



Even the dreaded PU hangers are in good condition, maybe they've been replaced in the past.



Shot down the N/S leg





Now I got to look at this rear quarter, will do more stripping of the rear then it's roof completely off time Smile.

Luckily no damage beyond rear quarter in here.



I'm happy to post details of my progress as I go, I'd also like to tap into the groups vast amount of expertise when it comes to these cars.

Cheers
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orangecurry
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice one Trev. You have large cahoonas.

I'd fix the underpinnings, and just bash the panels back out, slap some Hammerite on the exposed metal, remove one of the front headlights and drive it - live a little.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good grief, the things you clever boys get up to.
I took my battery out today and that was enough for me. Hurt my back lifting it out.
I'll be watching this green with envy.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will definitely be interested to see what happens when the roof comes off. What needs doing to the roof?

Mine is going into the garage in a week or so, to have the rusting issue with the join at the top of the windscreen sorted. Will you be replacing or keeping the door seals. I am told these are not a cheap day out

ATB
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Cameltoe & Heel
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Ian, just pulling the roof to get access to the rear quarters.

I will overhaul the roof whilst off, new rubbers where required and swap the broken bracket.

Not sure about the door seals as yet, one step at a time I say Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ordered some metal window trim bits years ago for my 993 Targa, I never fitted them but now can't remember what they are for!

I've still got them, I'll post up the part no in case they are any use to you industrious people.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Trev,
Have you planned on taking wing support brackets off the rear chassis leg? This is where I think you might find all the cardinal sins!

Fair dues for taking this one on , looks like you've picked a good one tho.. No nasty surprises so far I hope?

I've spent the morning wrenching as well , taking seats and consoles out of my G to get at a leak , but I don't think I'd have the danglies to tackle the 993, my hat is off to you! Thumb Cop
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great OP. Enjoy the spannering, I look forward to further posts Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trev, more pics as you go please. Wish I knew one end of a spanner from the other.
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Cameltoe & Heel
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gents, what are you thoughts on creating a WB Targa?, it had crossed my mind and OC also mentioned it?.

Pretty rare Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote




OC should know better.

Personally I'd choose a NB over a WB any day. I don't get them.

Same engine, more weight.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I think the NB on the Targa is spot on ......... so I would leave as be.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason I don't get WBs is that it is form over function.

The NB is perfect.

However, IMO the Targa is also form over function, in a purely argumentative way.

So why not combine the two? If you didn't like it, in the future you could also lose the roof and make it into a Speedster.

If you have a shell with no fixed roof, why not enjoy yourself?

Or get coupe rear wings and a roof with no sunroof, and make a focused coupe (probably cheaper in the long run).

But as the car has an insurance category already, why worry about originality? As we saw with the blue Speedster.

Obviously this is a turbo, but you get the idea...

 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My main reason not to do it, is weight. The Targa is heavy enough as it is. Now if you could find a way to reduce the weight and keep that ton of glass above your head, that would be ideal, as would being able to run larger wheels and tyres without the roof shattering.

Actually, just finding a way of stopping the roof creaking would get you a Knighthood Grin
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

orangecurry wrote:
The reason I don't get WBs is that it is form over function.

The NB is perfect.



I know this is going slightly off topic, but I do believe that OC is spot on here. To me it's a case of less is more. In the same way that back in the day, I never ordered an SC with the whale tail. It never looked as neat as the vanilla version.
The bit that grates for me with the WB me is the extended sill between the arches, it has the whiff of boy racer about it, in the way that the eighties XR3i had dare I say the Cosworth Merc 2.3-16, which was otherwise a truly great car IMHO.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimbo wrote:
My main reason not to do it, is weight. The Targa is heavy enough as it is.


So adding a tiny bit more (wider wings) lower down is not going to make any beans.

HPNer wrote:
The bit that grates for me with the WB me is the extended sill between the arches


Indeed the shape of the coupe demands that the sills curve gracefully under, not stick out like a sore lip....

But we purists digress....

The WB is a sensible solution on a car that requires new rear wings - from the projects in the past (if done well) it adds to the value of the car significantly, AND if you don't like it, make a Speedster and sell it on for millions more.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To me that just looks so wrong and out of proportion ......... mind you the big rear wing doesn't help things.

Dont know

 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

orangecurry wrote:
Kimbo wrote:
My main reason not to do it, is weight. The Targa is heavy enough as it is.


So adding a tiny bit more (wider wings) lower down is not going to make any beans.


Fair point.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've managed to source my damaged O/S rear suspension components:

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq8/ttrev_993/993%20Targa%20Resto/D4B074E2-9DD4-47E2-8F25-6C1374806F13.jpg

So, IF I was going down the WB route what WB specific parts would I require

I'm thinking,

WB Rear PU Bumper
WB PU Hangers
WB Wing Supports

What about exhaust mufflers?, are they WB specific?, I'm sure the heat shields are?.

Trev




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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regardless of shape, personally I'd be using a modern solution for heat dissipation - thermal wrap.

That should save you several thousand doubloons.

Sills obviously, but I assume you'd be taking those off to ensure the accident-damage hasn't opened-up the corrosion protection or cracked anything.

I like spending your money.
 
  
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