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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:46 pm    Post subject: High Mileage 991s Reply with quote

Newby here,
Finally taking the plunge into the Porsche team. Looked to buy a 2012 991s with relatively high mileage from OPC. 52k+ genuine miles apparently. Is there anything I should be looking out for and is there anything costly that need changing imminently? It will come with Porsche warranty.
Thanks for your help and hopefully not jumping into the frying pan.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If it's coming from an OPC with their 2 year warranty you should be fine BUT I'd really want the car to be considerably cheaper than any similarly aged car with sub-25k miles.

If 991s follow the 'average mileage per year' trend set by 996s and 997s then a car with 52k miles should be 7 years old.

How many miles are you likely to add during your tenure Question

If your miles wouldn't significantly reduce the average in the time you own it you'll take a hit when sale time comes as there'll be a lot of lower mileage cars around at that time.

If the price to buy is right and you're not going to add too many miles yourself it could be a real bargain.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With 50,000 miles it would need to be cheap to be value for money
£49,995?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i"m guessing it s the car at cambridge £60,000?
makes my car with 18 months warranty and 40,000 miles less value at £67,995
http://911uk.com/ads_item.php?id=6410

which car would be easier to sell in 12, 24 or 36 months time?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will be doing less than 5k miles a year and hopefully average it down after a few years. Its from Guildford.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-carrera-991/porsche-911-carrera-s-pdk/4964769
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had considered a Vantage S but the warranty and PDK pushed me towards the C2S. Are there any maintenance requirements at 60k+? Dont say engine rebuild. Very Happy
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too many many miles for me

My next will be a late 997 gen 2 (under 40,000)

or an early 991 (under 20,000)

With no more than two owners
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jazzy2000 wrote:
I will be doing less than 5k miles a year and hopefully average it down after a few years. Its from Guildford.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-carrera-991/porsche-911-carrera-s-pdk/4964769


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£57k for a 52k miles car vs £66-£68k for various cars on the market with sub-30k miles seemed like a decent deal.

That % difference in value would always be there but a 991 for the price of a late 997 would make it pretty tempting.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I've realised after trying to find a Cayenne diesel is that selling a Porsche with high mileage is the motoring equivalent of having Ebola unless it is priced right.

I was looking at a 1 owner 2012 Cayenne with 105k miles because it has everything I'd want on it but slowly the dealer price has come down from £33k to £29k. My guess is it still has a some way to go yet before someone bites as £32k gets you in one with half that mileage. It doesn't help the dealership has (had) a very poor reputation nooo
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
jazzy2000 wrote:
I will be doing less than 5k miles a year and hopefully average it down after a few years. Its from Guildford.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-carrera-991/porsche-911-carrera-s-pdk/4964769


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£57k for a 52k miles car vs £66-£68k for various cars on the market with sub-30k miles seemed like a decent deal.

That % difference in value would always be there but a 991 for the price of a late 997 would make it pretty tempting.


Paid deposit for it. Seeing it next week. My man maths works out that 52k + 5k for 4 years makes 72k for 7 year old car. Still high but not unreasonable. Me thinks.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you've done rather well there considering its from OPC as well, looks very nice, congrats thumbsup thumbsup
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cambsguy wrote:
I think you've done rather well there considering its from OPC as well, looks very nice, congrats thumbsup thumbsup


Popping down to drive the car on Monday. If all goes well, driving it home too. Cannot wait Laughing Laughing Will post pics when i get back

Anything I should look out for when I inspect the car?
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anything mechanical will have been sorted by the OPC and the warranty means that you won't have to worry about anything other than wear & tear items for 2 years.

I'd therefore concentrate on:

(1) The history/paperwork of the car. Make sure you've got details of everything the car has done to it since it was new. Get copies of invoices etc. For future resale on an above average mileage car this will help massively.

(2) Check the condition of the car very carefully - especially the interior. Any scuffs, marks, broken trim etc will be very difficult and/or expensive to put right. If you point them out at the time of purchase you should be able to get them fixed 'at cost'. That will work out better than trying to negotiate a few quid off as I doubt they'll move much on price and the cost/hassle of getting it done at a later date could end up being more than you expect.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
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Anything mechanical will have been sorted by the OPC and the warranty means that you won't have to worry about anything other than wear & tear items for 2 years.

I'd therefore concentrate on:

(1) The history/paperwork of the car. Make sure you've got details of everything the car has done to it since it was new. Get copies of invoices etc. For future resale on an above average mileage car this will help massively.

(2) Check the condition of the car very carefully - especially the interior. Any scuffs, marks, broken trim etc will be very difficult and/or expensive to put right. If you point them out at the time of purchase you should be able to get them fixed 'at cost'. That will work out better than trying to negotiate a few quid off as I doubt they'll move much on price and the cost/hassle of getting it done at a later date could end up being more than you expect.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So how did it go Jazz?
I'm in a similar boat to you re wanting a high miler but keeping for a good few number of years. Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

High mileage cars can be brilliant bargains. I think of it as a bit like an aircraft, in as much as its the take offs and landings that are mechanically stressful.

A low miles car is likely to have been spent a relatively higher % of its mileage driven cold.

The paintwork can take a pummeling though, so watch for stonechips and make sure they are properly painted not by a 'smart repair' butcher.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robertb wrote:
High mileage cars can be brilliant bargains. I think of it as a bit like an aircraft, in as much as its the take offs and landings that are mechanically stressful.

A low miles car is likely to have been spent a relatively higher % of its mileage driven cold.

The paintwork can take a pummeling though, so watch for stonechips and make sure they are properly painted not by a 'smart repair' butcher.


Very true Thumb One 4yr old cars I've seen sports leather interiors with 100k miles on and they look brand new. I then saw the same interior on a 40k car and the bolsters were are crumpled and saggy as an Octogenarians ball sac nooo I like to know the weight/size of the previous owner following a bad experience buying an Audi which was previously owned by someone who had the 'dimensions' of Giant Haystacks and the seating foam was knackered what
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So how did it go Jazz?
I'm in a similar boat to you re wanting a high miler but keeping for a good few number of years. Thumb


Pulled the trigger. The lenses to the lights have small scratches but other than that as expected for a used car. The inside is in good nick and all in all happy. Will be keeping it for sometime as this will be the last NA 911s. Got 2yr warranty as it is from main dealer so hopefully it will not be a money pit.

Having said that the PSE sound is so addictive even though it does nothing to the performance. Get the rev up high and the performance is fantastic. Had an E60 M5 before this and compared to this, the M5 is a high speed autobahn cruise and the 991 is a sports car. You can really feel the speed and car as it go round the bends.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ready to do 100mile journey home Smile
 



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2015 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

re M5:
When I was looking for my 911, I was chewing the fat about M5s with an OPC dealer. He basically said 'M5 great car, wonderful performance, good engineering ... but it's not a sports car. A 911 is'. That's when my doubts about getting an M5 were confirmed. I have a very nice F11 525 Sport (perfect for aged parent + zimmer, partner, 2 dogs and a weeks shopping) and I didn't really want a faster look alike.

Also on the PSE - I agree. I'd never have specified this from scratch, but having got it, I think its great!
 
  
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