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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:36 pm Post subject:
That is one ugly steering wheel mind you!
996lee Montreal
Joined: 26 Aug 2014 Posts: 584 Location: South Wales/Nottingham
Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:23 pm Post subject:
might be the pics but it somehow looks longer and stretched almost a 2 door panamera sort of look if that makes sense
within 6 months of these coming out some tuners will have these upto silly power I bet _________________
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Nimrod Nürburgring
Joined: 25 Apr 2015 Posts: 486 Location: East Midlands
Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:25 am Post subject:
Well as a 993 owner maybe I don't get it but it looks even bigger and fussier than ever and what's the point of the turbo now?
From the rear their are so many different lines and details, the vertical lines on the deck lid look wrong and it's so high.
Porsche seem to be going further away from what built the cars reputation. Electric steering, PDK, turbo's. increased size and weight.
Surely they could have used some of the lessons learnt from the 918 simplified it and gone hybrid. Slightly smaller flat 6 engine with small electric motors for torque fill and emissions and kept the weight roughly the same, something like a i8 but with a proper engine. If BMW can do it why not Porsche ?
It's no doubt very fast, comfortable and a great all round car but a 911 ? _________________ GT4
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paul987 Suzuka
Joined: 27 Feb 2015 Posts: 1239 Location: east mids
Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:33 pm Post subject:
I actually like it alot.. except that rear lip above the exhaust . If they had just continued with the natural lines of the bumper instead of making it look like it's got something stuck on it would be perfect
38mpg? when they said all 911 would now be turbo's I didn't realise they ment turbo diesel _________________ 2001 996 C4S - Silver
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Porsche News Motoring Editor
Joined: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 6827
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 11:19 am Post subject:
FYI, 1st post of this thread has been updated with more info, facts and pictures. _________________ >Competitive Porsche Insurance <
Can't see current 991 GTS prices taking a big dip- many folk would rather a 3.8 NA engine than a 3lt turbo.....
spongebob squarepants Magny-Cours
Joined: 20 Dec 2009 Posts: 2696 Location: Manchester and Iraq
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:55 pm Post subject:
Porsche has to move with the times, or there would be no Porsche. The 911 remains massively more practical and cheaper than the rest. You have a car that can return over 38 mpg, and 0-60 in around 4 seconds, unthinkable figures even in the recent past. The styling is more angular, the same as all VW products have gone recently. I think they have achieved as usual a different but at the same time the same looking car, which is an improvement over the last, I think the arse end just looks 'right'. The turbo was inevitable, 3 litres and still 6 cylinders, personally IMHO it's a winner, and will significantly affect 991.1 prices, as with all 911's it's better than the last, bigger and realistically it's not going to be bought by the purists. _________________ After his first training session in heaven, George Best, from the favourite right wing, turned the head of God who was filling in at left back
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DynoMike Barcelona
Joined: 25 May 2012 Posts: 1252 Location: The Cotswolds
[quote="996lee"]might be the pics but it somehow looks longer and stretched almost a 2 door panamera sort of look if that makes sense
I agree. I think it is a bit ugly, especially the built in BBQ rack above the engine. The two central exhausts just remind me of a VW Beetle. I'm liking my 'individual' 996 headlights even more now.
It will go like stink though and 38mpg?!!!!! Mega. _________________ 2003 996 Turbo
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Not at all unpredictable - I believe the bosses had already admitted to this a few months ago but I could be wrong - unfortunately it's progress.
Personally I like the design. I like the gen1 991 too but I think this is nicer in most aspects. Those centered exhausts look the part! The only bit I don't like as much is the engine grille... If only the car would be narrower and shorter...
3.0L Turbo... well it can't be bad, if we've learnt a few things over the years is that Porsche's engineers know how to develop a good engine and chassis (example Q5 vs Macan). So if anyone can do a turbo flat 6 that somehow relates to the larger N/A it replaces it's them.
What also comes to mind is how easily (cheaply) a Carrera could be turned into a Carrera S. Or more generically how much more potential will these have for tuning houses?
And what on earth will they have to have on the new Turbo to maintain the gap in performance that currently existed between Carrera and Turbo? _________________ 997 Carrera S
Niall996 Imola
Joined: 07 Nov 2010 Posts: 800 Location: Paris
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:30 pm Post subject:
I think the car is just pure dripping gorgeousness! And technically incredibly exciting. It's an amazing new chapter in a long glorious history. And still utterly 100% what 911s are all about. Brilliant, beautiful, fast, practical, robust, grown up.
Looking at the pictures what strikes me visually and what is the essence of the 911 is that fantastic driving position. Right bang smack in the middle. There's something in that aesthetic that really appeals to me, being equidistant from the from bumper and the back. It's so different to the numerous front engine iterations where the driver is far back near the rear wheel. It just looks so balanced. A set up resulting from the two back seats and rear engine ingenuity of the original classic design.
We've had water coolers for going on three decades now. I can understand the shock to the system among 911 fans at the time with the big switch in 97/98 but that is such a long time ago now. The water cooler era has forged its own evocative history now with a rich mix of fantastic unsurpassed road cars, stunning track GT's and all conquering turbos. And ongoing racing success to keep the legend current. And never have Porsche faced such incredible competition from so many as they have in the modern era and still they reign ever more supreme.
A Porsche ethos that is content to tick along living off the past and pandering to a narrow retro community would have been a boring disaster. Charming, nostalgia like Morgan but probably a dead memory by now. And even worse, the world would have been denied some of the greatest motoring wonders ever to see the light of day. Thank God Porsche kept their consumers at the heart of what they do and continued to strive to be the best. I always enjoy reading the interviews with Porsche engineers and the authentic passion and real world common sense they exude. It's what makes Porsche such a cool car company to me. Almost paternal in their own inner belief of what their about and understanding of what the 911 is meant to be at any point in time.
Sure, there'll always be that persistent cabal complaining of something being lost (usually without ever driving the new evolved version). It has happened with every generation and is part of Porsche folklore at this stage but the solution for these people is always there, if you want an old classic experience, buy an old classic. If you want a NA water cooled you have almost twenty years of models to choose from. But Porsche needs to forge ahead and make new legends.
C4pperS Trainee
Joined: 04 Jan 2016 Posts: 71
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 2:03 pm Post subject:
Nimrod wrote:
what's the point of the turbo now?
It does raise an interesting question??
new rear lid looks really nice and a good general overall improvement, looks a lot less "wealthy retire'e"
T8 General
Joined: 29 Jun 2010 Posts: 12449 Location: Kent
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:35 pm Post subject:
C4pperS wrote:
Nimrod wrote:
what's the point of the turbo now?
It does raise an interesting question??
And the answer is ........
The 'Carrera Turbo' = 370 bhp
The 'Carrera Turbo S' = 420 bhp
THE 911 Turbo = 533 bhp
THE 911 Turbo S = 572 bhp _________________ 2007 Guards Red 997 Turbo Tiptronic
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Rockunrolla Albert Park
Joined: 27 Dec 2011 Posts: 1595 Location: Yorkshire
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:43 pm Post subject:
Does this mean in 15yrs gen1s are going to be on wheeler dealers for a million quid wth Mike Brewer banging on about them being last of the NAs
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C4pperS Trainee
Joined: 04 Jan 2016 Posts: 71
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:53 pm Post subject:
T8 wrote:
C4pperS wrote:
Nimrod wrote:
what's the point of the turbo now?
It does raise an interesting question??
And the answer is ........
The 'Carrera Turbo' = 370 bhp
The 'Carrera Turbo S' = 420 bhp
THE 911 Turbo = 533 bhp
THE 911 Turbo S = 572 bhp
Well yeah, obviously this is great but the Turbo is surely going to lack in notoriety now.
Not to mention that the sort of people that by turbo's are different to the type that would buy say a carrera S or any other normally aspirated porsche. My point is the lines at now getting blurred.
T8 General
Joined: 29 Jun 2010 Posts: 12449 Location: Kent
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:10 pm Post subject:
C4pperS wrote:
Not to mention that the sort of people that by turbo's are different to the type that would buy say a carrera S or any other normally aspirated porsche.
I've had a C4 and 2 x Turbos. My next 911 will probably be NA.
IMO people who want a new 911 will buy whatever's available. _________________ 2007 Guards Red 997 Turbo Tiptronic
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C4pperS Trainee
Joined: 04 Jan 2016 Posts: 71
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:20 pm Post subject:
I guess there's no hard fast rule T8, and by no means am I suggesting I know my facts. It's just something I've heard in lots of review's over the years?? I've also known a few people that have struggled going from turbo's back to NA in various models (which in my head backs up the theory that NA and Turbo's attract different types of drivers). I just assume this mite become a factor for Porsche when selling units??!
T8 General
Joined: 29 Jun 2010 Posts: 12449 Location: Kent
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:58 pm Post subject:
C4pperS wrote:
I guess there's no hard fast rule T8, and by no means am I suggesting I know my facts. It's just something I've heard in lots of review's over the years?? I've also known a few people that have struggled going from turbo's back to NA in various models (which in my head backs up the theory that NA and Turbo's attract different types of drivers). I just assume this mite become a factor for Porsche when selling units??!
I get where you're coming from.
Historically there has been a big difference between the way a NA car drives compared with a Turbo, particularly with regard to power delivery.
Those that didn't like the of a Turbo stuck with the Carrera or went for a GT3.
In the 991.2 generation of Turbo Carreras I don't think the power delivery/driveabilty difference will be vastly different to the NA 991.1 - and the differences that there are (e.g more torque) will be received positively.
The aforementioned factor will still be supplied by the 'proper' Turbo with the big bhp that it will have - which is why there is still room in the market place for it. _________________ 2007 Guards Red 997 Turbo Tiptronic
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GARY S Trainee
Joined: 06 Aug 2016 Posts: 80
Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 1:43 pm Post subject:
Looking at the pictures of the back of the engine, at the 1 o'clock position appears to be a round feature. Has Porsche gone back to an IMS & bearing after all the problems pre 2009?
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