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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Throttle response Smile

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BenC wrote:
I think the car is looking great -
my questions about the suspension and the resulting ride were more from a learning pint of view than a criticism Smile


I didn't take it as criticism Ben Thumb Even if it was I would only see that as I need to up my game and try a little harder next time Smile

si77 wrote:
Looking fantastic! Keep going, keep going!
My car would be the perfect UK based demo car Smile


You're on! Thumb

Martin996RSR wrote:
Hi John. You can assume that ELA will be putting rubber boots on the rose joints. They are commonly available from the rose joint suppliers.


I made the suspension so that it is simple to replace worn parts. I wasn't going to fit rubber boots, but if the wear due to FOD ingress is as quick as mentioned, then I might just fit them.

Martin996RSR wrote:
The front seems a trifle low, presumably to get the rake you need? I guess you'll be having a few goes at settings as the suspension settles. Anyway, what you've achieved is truly special. I can't wait to see it in the flesh. How long until it comes to the UK?


I will be having the car geo'd on Monday, I was just desperate to see it sitting on it's own boots. Yes currently running a good bit of Rake angle.
I had a massive problem with the steering the last few days and I was considering some extreme measures to get around the issue like running with no front ARB. The problem was the torsional loading created by the ARB when steering input is >70%. I did lots of geometry calculations and have worked out a solution:

- Redesigned the upper droplink attachment point so that the pick-up sits 17mm further back than stock and by utilising a 4mm spacer on the rear end, will be able to get full articulation around this point. I then extended the drop links by 80mm and moved the lower droplink point outboard 10mm.

These measures have alleviated all the issues I was having. I took the car for a gentle test drive and it is absolutely sublime, I can't believe how good the steering weight is now. I was not going over 20mph, as none of the suspension arms are tightened at present, but it was enough to judge steering weight. I am so happy after all the trouble I have gone through to create this system that it works better than I ever hoped. I have driven a 964RS and I would say it is very similar in weight and feel to that Smile


I will try and make it over to a UK debut for that event at Beaulieu, which I think is at the beginning of June.

To all the other lovely messages thanks you guys worship

There is still lots to do and a few thing's I'm still not even sure how to sort out yet, but nothing now is a show stopper. The rest is pretty simple by comparison to getting to this point.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's looking impressive Richard worship I'm looking forward to reading how the set up and testing progresses. It's certainly keeping me thinking about options for mine.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a new 996 owner I have to say this thread is awesome - some fastidious work and I can't wait to see the final results - very very nice Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

revving like a bike!! nice
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done, Richard!

If you do come to the UK, let us know early, as I'm sure quite a few of us will be very interested in how she drives!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks gents Thumb

I am thinking of coming over to the UK for the Simply Porsche event which is early June.
Anyway today was finally the day Smile
Had it geo'd then out for a test drive. I am still shaking now. It is ballistic but I was kind of expecting that, the funny thing is this wasn't what impressed me the most. The compliance from the suspension set-up was totally overwhelming. It is just so smooth yet razor sharp. It just boggled my mind, as I expected really harsh and hard; what with rose jointed everything, coilovers... I was just totally blown away with how it gilded along some really bumpy roads like a Mercedes would.
Another big surprise was the exhaust. It is much quieter than the previous system at idle and normal road speeds but open the taps and she screams like a Mezger, it really is a very clever bit of kit and the real icing on cake.

As I type this now, I am kind of surprised that I haven't mentioned the steering yet. It just didn't overtake proceeding like it had previously. So much was going on that I really had overlooked this aspect of the car.
I have already made 3 suspension adjustments this afternoon since the geo and need to fine tune a couple of other small things but so far it is totally shocking! Surprised It'll be so good to drive it to work tomorrow, something I have not done for so long now (the roads to get there are fantastic Very Happy

Here's a few pics of todays antics starting with fitting the new ARB drop-links:














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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

worship

Your mates on here are almost as excited as you are Grin

It's like when a friend announces she is pregnant , and you're waiting 9 months to meet the baby Floor
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations!

That car looks really special. Glad to hear it drives as good as it looks Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome! The car looks stunning. Those wheels. worship

Glad you've made your deadline. Looks like a lovely place you live in.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you got a lot of negative camber on those front wheels? or is it just the pics?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Top-quality suspension is always worth the money (see halfway down page below).

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=48&t=1544997&i=20
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marky911 wrote:
Awesome! The car looks stunning. Those wheels. worship
Glad you've made your deadline. Looks like a lovely place you live in.


Thanks Marky Thumb There is still a fair way to go though but I'm at it everyday now with all the fine tuning, tests and adjustments.
I'm very lucky to live here in the Moselle Valley, the driving roads are incredible Wink

BenC wrote:
Have you got a lot of negative camber on those front wheels? or is it just the pics?


Hi Ben, there is slightly more on the front but not a great deal (-2deg front and a quarter of a degree less on the rear). It is probably the rake angle in that picture which makes it look that way. I have since raised the front end 10mm
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I did a little acceleration test this morning. This was a bit spontaneous and not planned at all, so you will have to forgive the TC kicking in slowing down proceeding between first and second, also doing all this one handed is less than ideal, but it should give some indication as to current straight line performance. This is still running the base OEM map and it was a very gentle launch (mechanical sympathy/or me being a big Jessie, the choice is yours):
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JESUS!
that is rapid Smile
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ELA wrote:
I did a little acceleration test this morning. This was a bit spontaneous and not planned at all, so you will have to forgive the TC kicking in slowing down proceeding between first and second, also doing all this one handed is less than ideal, but it should give some indication as to current straight line performance. This is still running the base OEM map and it was a very gentle launch (mechanical sympathy/or me being a big Jessie, the choice is yours):
video


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nine seconds to get to 100kph really isn't all that special. - This is what crossed my mind when watching the video in small format first. I naturally assumed the speedo had been set to KPH seeing as it was being driven in Germany.

I then watched it in a larger format. MPH baby! After much tooing and froing with the play bar I figured this was 0-60 MPH in 4.5 seconds. Clearly a more aggressive initial launch and then feathering the throttle just so at the right time to avoid wheelspin, this has a shot at going below 4 seconds.

This is really pretty special! Well done sir, now please please bring it back to Blighty and show us!
 
  
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I shall be bringing the car over to Blighty to make its UK debut at 'Simply Porsche' Beaulieu in June. If you would like to have a closer look prior to this, I will be staying a few days in Essex before heading on down to Beaulieu so would be happy to show fellow enthusiasts around the car. My plan is to come over on the 31st May, then head back home on the 5th June. I will be staying near Southend.

Regarding the video Martin, I was filming with one hand and steering/changing gear with the other. It was also just a normal start, (as you would pull away from a junction) no build up to 4k then side-stepping of the clutch... As I was filming I didn't really optimise gear changes...
Feck me that's some amount of excuses already Grin
Anyway suffice to say, I agree with you, given better prep and switching TC off, it would put in a good time for a lowly 996 C2. Also a good indication of the way she pulls is the fact it's running CUP2's and managed to wheel spin in perfect conditions between 1st and 2nd. Funny thing is this isn't the area where the car is suppose to shine. The 20mins before this up the Moselle valley to work, was where the magic really was. Still all a bit scary at the moment though so am taking it relatively easy Wink
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996 Turbo performance from a Carrera worship

And to think I had problems keeping up with you before you started the mods. Surprised



See you on the 30th. Thumb
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
996 Turbo performance from a Carrera worship

And to think I had problems keeping up with you before you started the mods. Surprised



See you on the 30th. Thumb


Lovely picture Terry, mine is now like the love child from your pic Grin
Not being picky but a 996TT would need around 477BHP to have the same bhp/ton Very Happy
Don't worry I've already given myself a wack on your behalf for being a pedantic t055er
See you soon Thumb
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