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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:51 pm    Post subject: 911 Turbos - Dimensions through the ages. Reply with quote

Especially when discussing the 991 many Porschephiles refer to how big the 911 has become.

It's true that if you put an original 911 against a 2015 model there is a massive difference - although I'd argue that, comparatively, the difference is no more than if you put a 70s Fiesta against the latest one - but I wondered if the 991 is actually that much bigger than the other more recent models.

A quick google around various sites got me the figures and although I can't claim them to be 'official' they seem pretty accurate.

Taking the Turbo as an example it's clear that the 991 isn't actually as much of a bloater as many people think - especially when compared to a 996T or 997T. The 'step change' happened in Y2k.

930 Turbo 4290mm long 1775 mm wide
964 Turbo 4275mm long 1775 mm wide
993 Turbo 4291mm long 1775 mm wide
996 Turbo 4435mm long 1830 mm wide
997 Turbo 4450mm long 1852 mm wide
991 Turbo 4506mm long 1880 mm wide

Given the relative degrees of performance and refinement the growth of 'only' 216mm in length and 105mm in width of a 991T vs a 930T seems pretty reasonable. Dont know

An original 911 (4135mm long and 1600mm wide) compared to a 991T is pretty extreme though. Grin

A 371mm difference in length and incredibly a 280mm (11 inches !!) difference in width is quite amazing. Surprised
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it just getting fatter or heavier as well? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was looking at some 70's Mustangs yesterday at the Oulton park gold cup and they just don't look big anymore!
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 930 Turbo's are undervalued compared to the 964 and 993 Turbo's.
My brother had an absolute specimen 1979 930 and the turbo lag made it feel laugh out loud fast. Cool
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Humans are bigger! Especially in America, Porsche's biggest market.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Total 911 data file indicates the weight step change came 20 years earlier and has been kept in check pretty well since with power to weight increasing each gen a little later on. The smallest weight increase is between 997 to 991. Wonder if the 991.2 will see a reduction in weight Question

930 Turbo 4290mm long 1775 mm wide 1140-1300kg 260-330bhp
964 Turbo 4275mm long 1775 mm wide 1470kg 320bhp
993 Turbo 4291mm long 1775 mm wide 1500kg 408bhp
996 Turbo 4435mm long 1830 mm wide 1540kg 420bhp
997 Turbo 4450mm long 1852 mm wide 1585kg 480bhp
991 Turbo 4506mm long 1880 mm wide 1595kg 520bhp
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Total 911 data file ...........



Duh that would have saved me some time. frustrated

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MJA911 wrote:
The Total 911 data file indicates the weight step change came 20 years earlier and has been kept in check pretty well since with power to weight increasing each gen a little later on. The smallest weight increase is between 997 to 991. Wonder if the 991.2 will see a reduction in weight Question

930 Turbo 4290mm long 1775 mm wide 1140-1300kg 260-330bhp
964 Turbo 4275mm long 1775 mm wide 1470kg 320bhp
993 Turbo 4291mm long 1775 mm wide 1500kg 408bhp
996 Turbo 4435mm long 1830 mm wide 1540kg 420bhp
997 Turbo 4450mm long 1852 mm wide 1585kg 480bhp
991 Turbo 4506mm long 1880 mm wide 1595kg 520bhp


Is there a difference between gen 1 and 2 turbo dimensions Question BHP for gen 2 is 500 not 480 AFAIK
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well its all about Girth these days...hale the 991.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is there a difference between gen 1 and 2 turbo dimensions Question BHP for gen 2 is 500 not 480 AFAIK



997 Gen 2 Turbo dimensions are the same, power is 500bhp as you say, weight is slightly less at 1570kg.

997 Turbo S is 530bhp/1585kg. 991 Turbo S has 560bhp/1605kg Surprised
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blimey! I felt every one of those kilos on the tight left downhill turn at the top of the Alpine course..... Drive

I think me AND Ness need to go on a diet......... Surprised
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: 911 Turbos - Dimensions through the ages. Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
Especially when discussing the 991 many Porschephiles refer to how big the 911 has become.

It's true that if you put an original 911 against a 2015 model there is a massive difference - although I'd argue that, comparatively, the difference is no more than if you put a 70s Fiesta against the latest one - but I wondered if the 991 is actually that much bigger than the other more recent models.

A quick google around various sites got me the figures and although I can't claim them to be 'official' they seem pretty accurate.

Taking the Turbo as an example it's clear that the 991 isn't actually as much of a bloater as many people think - especially when compared to a 996T or 997T. The 'step change' happened in Y2k.

930 Turbo 4290mm long 1775 mm wide
964 Turbo 4275mm long 1775 mm wide
993 Turbo 4291mm long 1775 mm wide
996 Turbo 4435mm long 1830 mm wide
997 Turbo 4450mm long 1852 mm wide
991 Turbo 4506mm long 1880 mm wide

Given the relative degrees of performance and refinement the growth of 'only' 216mm in length and 105mm in width of a 991T vs a 930T seems pretty reasonable. Dont know

An original 911 (4135mm long and 1600mm wide) compared to a 991T is pretty extreme though. Grin

A 371mm difference in length and incredibly a 280mm (11 inches !!) difference in width is quite amazing. Surprised


Thread resurrection, sorry .. Embarassed

Can someone confirm the definate width of a 996T before I buy one and find it won't fit in my garage Grin

T8 confirmed 1830 but pistonheads says 1,852 mm and although I realise this is only very fractionally different but wanted to make sure one of these was correct.

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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 11:22 pm    Post subject: Re: 911 Turbos - Dimensions through the ages. Reply with quote

adamw wrote:


Can someone confirm the definate width of a 996T before I buy one and find it won't fit in my garage Grin

T8 confirmed 1830 but pistonheads says 1,852 mm and although I realise this is only very fractionally different but wanted to make sure one of these was correct.



I've just re-checked 7 different sources (including The Streather 'Bible' and road tests from 2002-2005) and all quote 1830mm. The only place I can't check now is in the Driver's Manual as I don't have one anymore.
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 9:15 am    Post subject: Re: 911 Turbos - Dimensions through the ages. Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
adamw wrote:


Can someone confirm the definate width of a 996T before I buy one and find it won't fit in my garage Grin

T8 confirmed 1830 but pistonheads says 1,852 mm and although I realise this is only very fractionally different but wanted to make sure one of these was correct.



I've just re-checked 7 different sources (including The Streather 'Bible' and road tests from 2002-2005) and all quote 1830mm. The only place I can't check now is in the Driver's Manual as I don't have one anymore.


Just checked the manual and it shows the width as 1830mm. I'm not selling but you could always have a look at my one for reference if you wanted, while you're considering whether to get one..
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 8:18 pm    Post subject: Re: 911 Turbos - Dimensions through the ages. Reply with quote

Jibaro wrote:
T8 wrote:
adamw wrote:


Can someone confirm the definate width of a 996T before I buy one and find it won't fit in my garage Grin

T8 confirmed 1830 but pistonheads says 1,852 mm and although I realise this is only very fractionally different but wanted to make sure one of these was correct.



I've just re-checked 7 different sources (including The Streather 'Bible' and road tests from 2002-2005) and all quote 1830mm. The only place I can't check now is in the Driver's Manual as I don't have one anymore.


Just checked the manual and it shows the width as 1830mm. I'm not selling but you could always have a look at my one for reference if you wanted, while you're considering whether to get one..


Thanks T8 and Jibaro!

I measured the garage based on the larger 1852 just incase and it seems it would be fine :
Grin

Cheers Jibaro for the offer of viewing yr car for comparison and I'll let you know if I'd like to take you up on offer but think my mind is pretty much made up
Don't think I'll regret
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a die hard fan of Porsche 911 cars, but I never really paid attention to the width of them. Thanks for sharing this info here.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daft question, but on a turbo, what's the widest bit; the mirrors or those lovely, muscular haunches?

My assumption was always that the mirrors were the widest point and that's where they measure, but I don't know this for a fact.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My assumption was always that the mirrors were the widest point and that's where they measure, but I don't know this for a fact.



I've always assumed that the quoted measurements are excluding the mirrors as surely the mirrors are the same distance apart on a narrow bodied car as they are on a Turbo.

Whether the mirrors stick out wider than the bum Dont know I'd have to go and look.

EDIT: I have just looked and, as I suspected, the mirrors do stick out slightly beyond the haunches. From the rear it looks close but from the front it's quite clear.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could fit a 996T in my garage, but even if I could afford one, a 991T won't. Think that says enough.
 
  
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