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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:44 pm    Post subject: Should I track it? Reply with quote

By that, I mean properly track it. UK days but mostly Ring trips.

I bought an e92 M3 earlier this year and spent a lump on choice mods - brakes, wheels, tyres, suspension, seats, shifter etc. I then took it to he Ring thinking I had the ultimate weapon but I came away feeling frustrated at the car.

I am now thinking I have two options - spend further on the M3 both in mods and specialist tuning OR shift it on and spend the balance on the GT3.

The reason I haven't tracked the GT3 is mainly due to value as well as its a complete minter and I baby it. Not sure I could cope with a stone chip never mind the worst. As a result however and due to other toys and time constraints, I have driven the car once since August last year.

I have no intentions of ever selling the GT3 so I suppose value shouldn't matter too much other than what I actually paid for it. Getting it patina'd however may be another story.

Thoughts on this first world problem I have (what a moaning bastard eh)
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can afford the running costs of tracking a GT3, track it. It's what they were built to do & there's nothing as satisfying to drive on the limit on a trackday as a GT3 imho. They're just too fast & capable for the road so the track is where you can really exploit them.

There's absolutely no point in owning a GT3 & not driving it. If you're worried about stonechips you should probably re-examine the reasons why you bought it.

My 996 GT3 has done over 175 trackdays in the 7.5 years I've had it (bought as a 20K mile minter & now on 127K miles) and although it may have a few battle scars, there's nothing that compromises the enjoyment of the car for me.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There's absolutely no point in owning a GT3 & not driving it. If you're worried about stonechips you should probably re-examine the reasons why you bought it.





Quote of the week! Love that - its too true!
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bryce

For my two pennith worth...TRACK THE GT3. Life is way too short, imagine what might happen in the next few years let alone when you are cycling along the road and here comes that lorry!. Not to be morbid, just that realiaty can bite at any time as sad as it is

Now if you are NOT going to sell it, and have not driven it since August, you need to ask yourself where your priorities lie. Keep as a MINT investment or get the fun out of it you have worked hard to deserve ?

Just my thoughts (jelous ones!)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For gods sake, it's not difficult.

You've got one of the best track cars sitting there gathering dust but then go and try to turn a barge into a track car. Surprisingly it doesn't cut the mustard.

Track the 911. Insure it if you're that worried.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ragpicker has more torque and 4WD though..


Which is better?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nicholas Lawrence wrote:
NXI20 wrote:
There's absolutely no point in owning a GT3 & not driving it. If you're worried about stonechips you should probably re-examine the reasons why you bought it.



Quote of the week! Love that - its too true!


I think Nick puts that a lot more kindly than I could

Get out there and drive it!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine is just a lowly 4s , not as ££ as yours...

That GT purely Porsche evening at Brands earlier this year was one of the best things I have ever done full stop
I still smile and look back on the photos months later.

Went in with a fair degree of trepidation , and didn't even go for the insurance. I decided I would tip toe around the track and slowly build confidence and find the grip

By the end you realise what amazing machines they are, and that by using on road only, we are merely scratching surface of capability.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess it all comes down to how significant the resale price is to you - do you want to be able to say "never tracked" when you come to sell it?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:45 am    Post subject: Re: Should I track it? Reply with quote

bryce wrote:
I have no intentions of ever selling the GT3 so I suppose value shouldn't matter too much other than what I actually paid for it.


Judging by the OP's stated intention to never sell it, I can't imagine why he'd feel the need to preserve his car's track virginity.

Do you ever see "never been tracked" on a 2.7RS advert? What possible damage could be caused assuming that the car is cared for correctly?

It's like having a beautiful, fit girlfriend & never making love to her so that the next man in her life can enjoy her instead of you. But then people do have some funny ideas Floor
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:54 am    Post subject: Re: Should I track it? Reply with quote

NXI20 wrote:
Do you ever see "never been tracked" on a 2.7RS advert? What possible damage could be caused assuming that the car is cared for correctly?


No idea - but I see that statement on 997.1 GT3 ads. Friend of mine has a mint 997.1 GT3 RS and he's never tracked it. Sacrilege!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Should I track it? Reply with quote

spyderman wrote:
NXI20 wrote:
Do you ever see "never been tracked" on a 2.7RS advert? What possible damage could be caused assuming that the car is cared for correctly?


No idea - but I see that statement on 997.1 GT3 ads. Friend of mine has a mint 997.1 GT3 RS and he's never tracked it. Sacrilege!

Chris.


That's kind of my point - these things become unimportant once the car reaches the 10-15 year old point - by then you are far more interested in condition, which can't lie. Before then, people rely on service records & statements such as "never raced or rallied" (showing my age now!) along with variants of the classic "owned by a vicar who only went to church in it".

At 15+ years old, the question of tracked or not with a GT car is completely irrelevant & unless owned by 1 person from new the answer can't be relied upon anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nordschliefe = GT3 time, everytime.

You're only here once, and life is not a rehearsal. Just think a bit further
ahead when you're in your autumn years...you'll regret it hugely if you don't
really enjoy and exploit your car. When you're unable to do those things, its
the memories which live on.....go on and have fun in it.

Just my 1p worth. bye
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tracking cars is only a recent thing. When the 996 GT3 came out there was no such thing as track days. It doesn't mean the people who bought them didn't enjoy them and have fun.

I don't track my Porsche and I don't think I ever will. That does not mean I don't enjoy the car and drive spirited drives at times. But I do use it, and it seems a shame that the OP isn't even doing that. Especially as the weather has been pretty good this summer in the U.K. I'd say get the car out and take it for a drive. You will most likely remember all the reasons you love it.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isysman wrote:
Tracking cars is only a recent thing. When the 996 GAt3 came out there was no such thing as track days. It doesn't mean the people who bought them didn't enjoy them and have fun.

I don't track my Porsche and I don't think I ever will. That does not mean I don't enjoy the car and drive spirited drives at times. But I do use it, and it seems a shame that the OP isn't even doing that. Especially as the weather has been pretty good this summer in the U.K. I'd say get the car out and take it for a drive. You will most likely remember all the reasons you love it.


My first 23 years of Porsche ownership had no tracking experiences to
compare with my motoring experiences. When I began tracking five or
so years ago, I quickly realised that I had only been getting a small part of
the fun in driving my Porsche...
But hey, ho we're all different, at least I know a little bit about both
elements and its like chalk and cheese. And to those who have never tried
it, you don't know what you're missing !.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the Op has a desire to track which seems to be the case, then he should use his GT3. Or at least drive the car and enjoy it. If you never intend to sell it what are you worried about? If you car gets stone chips then you can have it repaired or repainted when the time comes. Or why not get it covered with protective film?

If you have no intention of ever selling then you shouldn't have anything to worry about.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get the front of the GT3 wrapped and track it but beware it ain't cheap. I had trouble affording the running costs of my GT3 so decided to stop the track days which led to me selling the car in the end .
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NXI20 wrote:
If you can afford the running costs of tracking a GT3, track it. It's what they were built to do & there's nothing as satisfying to drive on the limit on a trackday as a GT3 imho. They're just too fast & capable for the road so the track is where you can really exploit them.

There's absolutely no point in owning a GT3 & not driving it. If you're worried about stonechips you should probably re-examine the reasons why you bought it.

My 996 GT3 has done over 175 trackdays in the 7.5 years I've had it (bought as a 20K mile minter & now on 127K miles) and although it may have a few battle scars, there's nothing that compromises the enjoyment of the car for me.


Great post and sums up exactly what it's all about worship
The GT3 is such a capable and rewarding steer; it is such a shame that the majority don't follow NX120 inspirational lead.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isysman wrote:


Tracking cars is only a recent thing. When the 996 GT3 came out there was no such thing as track days.



eh! Confused

I did track days in my Triumph Dolomite in 1982.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think your missing a trick, track both and do twice as many track days as your were thinking about per year.

I've had a number of 'M' cars over the years. E92 is a very good car, although a touch heavy on the track, an E46 works better.

I've only had my GT3 a couple of months and have my first track day booked in it next Wednesday. Yes worth good money but that's where they were designed to be used. I'm going to take out some trackday insurance.
 
  
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