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Mr Bacchus
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:30 pm    Post subject: My long overdue 964 project Reply with quote

Okay so here we have another 964 project thread, it’s never going to be a ‘sticky’ or at the level of Paul, Clinchy, my fellow Geordies and all; but at least it’s something for you to read.

First two items planned:

1) Cosmetic body work refresh – quite a big job and struggling like hell to find someone to do it (some of you know about my struggles)!

2) Suspension refresh – I had planned to go the Bilstein B6/H&R route but have not found anyone (yet) who can supply B6s from stock for an 89 C4; seems to be a supply issue. I’ve had an enquiry with a well know Belgian supplier for a couple of months now and therefore I have started looking for alternatives, at the moment I’m investigating Silvers! Any hints on where I can source the Bilsteins would be much appreciated. I’m looking for a Euro purchase to take advantage of the exchange rate.

I have a few other jobs planned but one of my strategies will be to not make any changes that cannot be reversed, I’m quite like my cars provenance and prefer the option to reverse any modifications should I choose to do so. Another strategy is to do as much of the work myself and only use professionals for specialist work.

More to follow, it will be a slow burn but I have to start somewhere.

I need a name for the project; how about 'Bacchus to the future'?

Thanks

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:51 pm    Post subject: Re: My long overdue 964 project Reply with quote

Mr Bacchus wrote:

I need a name for the project; how about 'Bacchus to the future'?


Love it Steve. Subscribed.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I own an '89 C4 with the original, rear suspension mounts. Carnewal supplied my B6s. We had to wait a couple of months for Bilstein to make a new batch. I finally had them delivered in June.

During our discussions, Gert informed me that he was the clearing house for Bilstein. I tend to believe him as he got mine delivered before any other supplier had a sniff of B6s.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the comments.

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Carnewal supplied my B6s. We had to wait a couple of months for Bilstein to make a new batch. I finally had them delivered in June


Yep, I'm talking to Gert. I guess I'll have to be more patient. At the moment I just want the bits in the garage piling up. It's the wrong time of year to be taking the car out of action at the weekends . Driving
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go for it! Pop Corn



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great to see another 964 project thread Smile

Good luck Steve and let us know how you get on thumbsup

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what about pss10's ? I got mine from Gert and they are superb
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Steve,

About time too! I can't wait, it's not a De Lorean though is it?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hot66 wrote:
what about pss10's ? I got mine from Gert and they are superb


pss10s are probably better than my driving skills can justify but I may go that way. I've a outstanding query with FVD Brombacher about their B6 kit, no reply as yet. It heard from a German supplier the B6s may not be available until September and now I'm ready to buy I'm getting impatient. I might try and call Gert tomorrow.

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About time too! I can't wait, it's not a De Lorean though is it?
Cheers,
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Hell no, although I wouldn't mind one of those Paul. Don't get too excited about my project.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whats the difference in ride quality on typical UK roads between Ps 10 and B6 guys? Cool
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't comment on anything except stock or pss10's

Roads I drive on are pretty rough, bumpy twisty country, moorland roads

Stock at stock settings ... To be honest I hated it. Was comfy and great for normal driving, as soon as pressing on though and it just felt awful , under steer and general feeling unpredictability .... Did contemplate getting rid of the car

Bilstein PSS10 on RS settings , ride height RS + 5mm .... Loves it Smile , the pss10 kit is adjustable to 10 different presets via a knob on each shock labelled 1-10. From memory I think I've set the rear at 4 and the front at 3. Ride on rippled road surface can initially feel,harsh, but as the speed increases this goes. Wife is happy as a passenger as was my passenger to LeMans this year. Ride is probabally not that different to my CSL. On fast country roads and it feels great with a nice predictability. Really rough stuff at speed and I think I need to soften the front as currently under heavy braking the front wheels can skip over the bumps, but bear in mind we are talking about driving pretty hard and quick to get to this point.

I'd recommend the pss10. It's turned a nice car into a keeper over and above anything else in my garage
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve,

Very excited about your project as I also have a 89 C4 that needs some TLC.

I'm still saving for glass out paint job, but the list of things to do at the same time is growing so I'll be keen to follow your progress and may be pick up some parts (suspension been 1 item) if you are generous enough to post the sourcing details.

Good luck fella I hope things go to plan.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck with the refurb.

Don't forget plenty of pics and updates.

I have PS10s on mine, I wanted the extra adjustability for track days.

Man maths helped with the budget calculations.

S10lemon wrote:
Steve,

Very excited about your project as I also have a 89 C4 that needs some TLC.

I'm still saving for glass out paint job, but the list of things to do at the same time is growing so I'll be keen to follow your progress and may be pick up some parts (suspension been 1 item) if you are generous enough to post the sourcing details.

Good luck fella I hope things go to plan.

Steve


And another one getting some love. Get yourself a thread started with what you're planning.

It'll be interesting to refer back too, when it's 54 pages and £30k different!..
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for comments chaps.

I spoke to Gert are Carnewal today and he confirms September for the suspension, not so far away.

On the body work I'm going back to the place Chris Dobson recommended to try and negotiate a mutually agreeable price.

I can't do much with pics right now other than show you what it looks like in the current condition. I'll post a couple soon.

Next job is repair/renew left side rear wheel sensor harness which is somewhat damaged and may be contributing to my PDAS/ABS warning light discotheque - to many threads on that subject already!

I told you it would be a slow burn Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Bacchus wrote:
On the body work I'm going back to the place Chris Dobson recommended to try and negotiate a mutually agreeable price.


Let us know how you get on Steve Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So finally some progress as other than some general tinkering I've achieved nothing exciting since my last post (mainly base-lining some electrical bits that I seem to have been on the car since new e.g coils)

I have the car booked into a body shop mid-December for the cosmetic work but more importantly I came back from holiday to find that the postman had left a parcel, after about 4 months of waiting my suspension bits and bobs have arrived Very Happy

I need to have a think about what ride height I want to run but more importantly I need to find someone local-ish to Newcastle that can sort the geo for me. I was thinking about Redline? Any suggestions? I really want to use Centre Gravity but I think its too much of trek on fresh suspension (although I could just ask them to fit the lot; but that would be to easy)

Gratuitous pic of my parcel of goodies below. I've already bought most of the minor parts from OPC but I'll do a check to see if its worth replacing other suspension bits whilst I'm on the job.



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blimey Steve, this has been a long time coming Confused
I hope you didn't pay express on the parcel?
Right, crack on and look smart about it Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
We have just had exactly the same kit fitted to my GF's '89 C4 targa - also sourced from Gert. we had run it on H&R progressive springs and original shocks for a year and it was OK/acceptable - however, now that it has been fitted with/matched to the B6's and set to RS height and a full geo and corner weight, it is absolutely transformed worship The ride quality is firm, controlled and comfortable , the cornering is precise. it doesn't bump steer or fidget and yet changes direction brilliantly. IMHO, it's a fab set up for us which mainly road use: I doubt we will ever track the 964 so wouldn't be able to comment on that

Along with the 993 C4 gearbox, front diff, remap, etc etc etc the car is absolutely transformed - brilliant piece of kit

I'm sure you will be very pleased with it

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all,

I thought I would take the opportunity to post a brief status update, thank you all for the inspiration and wish you all the best for 2016.

After the delay due to the time I spent tracking down my accelerometer problem (reported separately) I am finally starting to make a little progress.

Clockwise from top left:

- Off she goes to the body shop to keep Ian's 928 company.

- Various brackets ready for blasting and powder coating.

- New brackets ready for powder coating.

- Some repair parts for Garry to use as he wishes during the work on the body, only a small piece of the outer sill will be used; just bought it to get the pressed portion with the hole for mounting the plastic sill cover. The left rear light enclosure is starting to go so i've decided to have it replaced.



As soon as the car is back then I'll fit the new suspension, which is patiently waiting in the box, and then we will see what is next on the list.


Cheers, Steve
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Steve,

Great to see you up and running. How are your getting on with the brackets?

Cheers,
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