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Nastymatt
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The headlights might not be the best Porsche has ever made but the rear end IS the best rear Porsche has ever made.

This is fact, not my opinion - as it is evidence based research*

NM

*Research done by myself against a broad section** of Porsche owners.
**Broad section being just myself.

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JohnnyDangerous
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Side silhouette is prob identical 997/6 front view the 7 prob just nicks it, rear view no chance 6 all the way, Interior well Floor never was a mondeo man Hand As for the drive all the 997's ive driven just well do it for you a little too much for me, my 6 reminds me constantly its a spiteful bitch !!!! Bit like a 1000cc bike from the early 2000's compared to now the early bike you knew you were riding, the later one not so much, too many aids !!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boba fett wrote:
Nastymatt wrote:
The headlights might not be the best Porsche has ever made but the rear end IS the best rear Porsche has ever made.

This is fact, not my opinion - as it is evidence based research*

NM

*Research done by myself against a broad section** of Porsche owners.
**Broad section being just myself.


Come on - are you high!!


I find the 996t the best rear there is (in turbo terms), it's uncomplicated yet purposeful, squat and aggresive without going too 'Carlos Fandango', it's not a swathe of plastic and is a classic 911 shape.

And to show my colours I actually think the 964t is THE best turbo shape as an overall package - but I still think the 996t rear end better. I am not going to go through each model to say why - as I love all 911t's.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boba fett wrote:

Ill try one more picture.......


Ironically while it's a nice ass, it's more Jango than Boba Wink

Just like Boba, the first one we saw was the best....... Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boba fett wrote:
Nastymatt wrote:
Boba fett wrote:
Nastymatt wrote:
The headlights might not be the best Porsche has ever made but the rear end IS the best rear Porsche has ever made.

This is fact, not my opinion - as it is evidence based research*

NM

*Research done by myself against a broad section** of Porsche owners.
**Broad section being just myself.


Come on - are you high!!


I find the 996t the best rear there is (in turbo terms), it's uncomplicated yet purposeful, squat and aggresive without going too 'Carlos Fandango', it's not a swathe of plastic and is a classic 911 shape.

And to show my colours I actually think the 964t is THE best turbo shape as an overall package - but I still think the 996t rear end better. I am not going to go through each model to say why - as I love all 911t's.


Ill try one more picture.......


Me too

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, have to say, the 996 Turbo really doesn't look all that, does it...?!

(Especially from the front 3/4) Hand










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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bag o' shite. Give you £10k for it.

Too much is said sbout how the cars look, which I can understand on a visual forum like this. I have had my 996 turbo for nearly 5 years, I can't think of any reason why I would change for a 997. From where I sit the headlights work just fine.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to prove that front 3/4 shot wasn't a fluke Very Happy


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, as Lyle Lovett would say, 'Ugly from the front'. I certainly wouldn't want to climb in it straight after this shot and drive 500 miles nooo



Oh hang on....I did..... Grin
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some nice pictures and some clearly very loved cars, I'm just not feeling it guys.

I'm still in shock that a 996 is considered better looking than a 997!!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've nothing against the 997 turbo FWIW and hope to own a Gen 2 turbo S one day. And sure it's newer (and therefore an improvement). But it's hardly the leap forward (brace for sucking of luddite teeth aplenty from the garage queen brigade) that the 996 was over the 993 Dont know
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread like a few others recently stinks on 997T owners cringing at the fact the 996T is growing in value and the 997 isn't moving much. Guys I know it hurt that you sold your 996T's for less than their current value, and I'm sure it stinks more that the 997T you paid vastly more for isn't doing the same at the moment but these things happen. I expect the 997T will increase eventually so have no fear, I just suspect the market has woken up to the once undervalued 996T

As for looks/driving experience etc.. Unfortunately the 997 just wasn't that great a leap forward which means owners can and do prefer one over the other. From what I've seen on forums the majority prefer the oval headlights of the 997 and prefer the bum of the 996, which I agree with on both counts. I actually think neither cars are photogenic, the 996 less so due to its braver styling. If I don't see my car for a while and just see photos I convince myself it's not that pretty, but if I go and look at it I feel completely different, I even like the headlights!!

Enjoy your cars, and stop trying to prove to others one is better or more valuable to the other.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnnyDangerous wrote:
kas750 wrote:
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I absolutely loved and I mean loved driving my 996 Turbo..but I honestly couldn't look at the front from any distance.I hated how it looked.I hated the big daft grills at the front.I actually don't mind a standard 996 from the front and particularly the earlier models with the fried egg headlamps but my turbo looked horrendous from that aspect.That said I bought it when they were incredible value and now they are less so.I am sure I will look back in years to come and think the front looks good but when I owned one I think it sucked.


What about a GT2?

That's a great point and I'm glad you mentioned it as the stylist of the GT2 managed to cheat the angles with the PU design which makes the 996 GT2 one of the prettiest 911's ever.


And it is a 996 Turbo still? Hmmm cat amongst the pigeons LOL Now Bobas car isnt stock so lets put it up against a modded 996 with GT2 front, hell for giggles Ill park next to Boba at the next ace meet we can both get to and we can take votes, New996buyer can organise and see how the public and other 911 model owners vote! can I use my anti-lag thumbsup

Its a very personal thing but I can't look at a 996 turbo or C4S and think it looks ok from the front.I like every other aspect including the interior but the front end spoiled it for me.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look what your started Terry. Good write up and good banter gentlemen. Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:21 am    Post subject: 996 / 997 comparisons Reply with quote

I am lovin this, such a well thought out start to the tread and look where we are at now, apologies, i have been lurking for so long, but just to wade in

Boba, JD, NewBuyer, any one at the Ace soon in fact, I will bring my car too (it will be back in my hands within the week as at the garage presently) and we will park a row of "classic" 996's turbos next to a row of non classic 997's turbos and see what happens !!

Now dont get me wrong, i have nothing against a 997 as have no exposure to one. However even if modified, customed, etc, i have noticed a lot at shows a 996 turbo gets a hell of a lot of attention, now add in a little set of nice wheels, shiney paint and there you have it. However all this talk talk, i drive my car and am very happy with it. BTW, the 996 arse is nicer than a 997 as is a 996 GT2 front end...hands down, end of simples ! Take a looksie

See https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h74twyictw2gsxn/AADIRpjJAqOWUnuL6xx6nyZNa?oref=e
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if its due to a 997 turbo looking very similar to the rest of the range? Was there a NB 997? If there was ignore this post Smile .
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