Welcome to 911UK
The only place for Porsche, 911uk is the definitive enthusiast and resource site for the Porsche 911.
Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free, so join up today for full access to the site and benefit from latest member offers.

Porsche Classifieds
Porsche Buyers Guides
Sell Your Porsche on 911uk
Create a Free Classified Advert
Search Ads
Classified Adverts FAQ
Trade Classified Information
Buyer & Seller Fraud Protection
Pre Purchase Inspection (PPI)
Porsche Car Sourcing
Porsche Cars Wanted
Model
Stock
Porsche 911
991 : 2011- 8
997 : 2004- 66
996 : 1997-2005 41
993 : 1993-1998 10
964 : 1989-1993 5
Carrera 3.2 : 1983-1989 1
Carrera SC : 1977-1983 0
930 Turbo : 1975-1989 0
Early 911 : 1964-1977 2
Porsche Other Models
Classic : 1950-1965 1
Boxster : 1997- 14
Cayman : 2005- 12
Cayenne : 2003- 9
Macan : 2014- 2
Panamera : 2009- 3
912-914-924-928-944-968 4
959 - CarreraGT - RaceCar 1
Car Parts For Sale & Wanted
Other Items For Sale & Wanted
Wheels Tyres For Sale & Wanted
Number Plates For Sale Wanted

Porsche Services
Porsche Body Shop Repair
Paint Protection & Body Wrapping
Porsche Classic Insurance
Porsche Classic Parts
Porsche Classic Restoration
Porsche Design Collection
Porsche Engine Gearbox Rebuild
Porsche Heritage & History
Porsche News
Porsche Picture Gallery
Win a New Porsche 911

Porsche Parts
Body Parts, Body Styling
Brakes, Clearance
Electrical, Exhausts
Engine Cooling, Engine Electrical
Engine Rebuild, Heating Cooling
Interior Incar, Lighting
Rubber Seals, Service Parts
Steering, Suspension
Transmission, Workshop Tools
Early 911, 911 - 930, 928 - 968
964 - 993, 996 - 997, Boxster
Cayman, Cayenne, Panamera

Porsche Model Range
911 [991] 2011-Current
Porsche 911 [991]
911 [997] 2004-Current
Porsche 911 [997]
911 [GT] GT1-GT2-GT3
Porsche 911 [GT]
911 [996] 1997-2005
Porsche 911 [996]
911 [993] 1993-1998
Porsche 911 [993]
911 [RS] RS-RSR
Porsche 911 [RS]
911 [964] 1989-1993
Porsche 911 [964]
911 3.2 1983-1989
Porsche 911 3.2 Carrera
911 SC 1977-1983
Porsche 911 SC
911 [Early] 1964-1977
Porsche 911 [Early]
Boxster & Cayman
Porsche Boxster & Cayman
Cayenne & Panamera
Porsche Cayenne & Panamera

911uk Site Partners

Post new topic   Reply to topic
Author Message
monster
Hockenheim


Joined: 04 Sep 2010
Posts: 672
Location: Bournemouth


PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:06 pm    Post subject: Steering Wheel Query Reply with quote

I am attempting to fit a 997.2 steering wheel onto my 997.1 - I have a multifunction wheel and appropriate airbag and I am just trying to understand how it all goes together before I attempt the fit onto the car.

When I slide the airbag into the wheel, it locates as it should within the wire frame which springs back around the lugs to secure the airbag, and the two springs are in place and exerting some pressure on the underside of the airbag unit.

What is concerning me is that when I press the airbag as if to activate the horn, the airbag is stiff to push and then will not return easily back into place afterwards. Its almost as if the two springs under the airbag are not powerful enough to return it to position.

I have ensured the little wiring loom is sitting in its groove and I don't think anything is fouling!

Does anyone have any ideas? or could anyone explain how the horn is supposed to work on this type of steering wheel?

thanks
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
medicus
Albert Park


Joined: 21 Oct 2014
Posts: 1518



PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

not sure which wheel you have tip/manual/pdk
but the ones i convert have an outer ring around the air bag, you dont press the air bag itself, perhaps this is the problem?
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
monster
Hockenheim


Joined: 04 Sep 2010
Posts: 672
Location: Bournemouth


PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

its this wheel. Anyone any clues regarding the horn?
 



IMG_5703.JPG
 Description:
 Filesize:  93.93 KB
 Viewed:  9074 Time(s)

IMG_5703.JPG



IMG_5704.JPG
 Description:
 Filesize:  92.71 KB
 Viewed:  9074 Time(s)

IMG_5704.JPG



IMG_5705.JPG
 Description:
 Filesize:  90.67 KB
 Viewed:  9074 Time(s)

IMG_5705.JPG


  
View user's profile Send private message
   
copmots
Silverstone


Joined: 26 Jul 2011
Posts: 139
Location: York Nth Yorkshire


PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did the exact same conversion myself and also thought the horn-push was a little stiff to operate.
So had a look at my friends 2011 gen 2 with the same wheel.
His was exactly the same a bit stiff.
So I reckon this is how they are.
Dave
 
  
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
   
medicus
Albert Park


Joined: 21 Oct 2014
Posts: 1518



PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry I have no answers, that wheel is different from the round air bag models that have the grey surround with the horn push.
I hope you find a solution, perhaps as mentioned it only needs a small prod to operate?
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
monster
Hockenheim


Joined: 04 Sep 2010
Posts: 672
Location: Bournemouth


PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

copmots wrote:
Did the exact same conversion myself and also thought the horn-push was a little stiff to operate.
So had a look at my friends 2011 gen 2 with the same wheel.
His was exactly the same a bit stiff.
So I reckon this is how they are.
Dave


Thanks Dave, yes thats what I am coming to believe reading around. I did try a bit of silicone grease in the points of contact areas and this has improved it a lot, it seems to be moving ok now, although I am not impressed with the design!

Did you install a multifunction wheel? If so did you have to change the control unit? My existing triangular airbag wheel is multi function, so I am going from a 997.1 multi function wheel with triangular airbag to the pictured 997.2 multi function wheel, but I read conflicting reviews regarding the control unit? cheers
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
monster
Hockenheim


Joined: 04 Sep 2010
Posts: 672
Location: Bournemouth


PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

medicus wrote:
sorry I have no answers, that wheel is different from the round air bag models that have the grey surround with the horn push.
I hope you find a solution, perhaps as mentioned it only needs a small prod to operate?


Yes thanks Medicus, yes its a different wheel and design to the one your describing which is I believe the Sport wheel option on the 997.1 - thanks anyway!
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
bs0u0118
Trainee


Joined: 31 May 2013
Posts: 85
Location: Yorkshire

2009 Porsche 997 Carrera 2S

PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't help here unfortunately, but wanted to ask where you got the wheel and multifunction plate from? Considering doing this in mine.
_________________
Current: Audi R8

EX: 997.2 C2S
EX: 987.1 Cayman S
EX: BMW Z4M Coupe
EX: Audi TT 225
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
monster
Hockenheim


Joined: 04 Sep 2010
Posts: 672
Location: Bournemouth


PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bs0u0118 wrote:
I can't help here unfortunately, but wanted to ask where you got the wheel and multifunction plate from? Considering doing this in mine.


I purchased them all separately, I got the wheel from the US, it came with non multifunction fascia which I removed, the airbag from Germany, both second hand and bought the multifunction fascia new from local OPC.
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
copmots
Silverstone


Joined: 26 Jul 2011
Posts: 139
Location: York Nth Yorkshire


PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monster
Yes you need the later control unit then coded to the car.
The control unit comes blank and has to be told everything: multifunction, on board computer, Tpms, horn (sometimes),
Etc etc. any good Indy will do it in less than twenty mins.
I have the part No of the control unit of you need it.
Dave
 
  
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
   
monster
Hockenheim


Joined: 04 Sep 2010
Posts: 672
Location: Bournemouth


PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

copmots wrote:
Monster
Yes you need the later control unit then coded to the car.
The control unit comes blank and has to be told everything: multifunction, on board computer, Tpms, horn (sometimes),
Etc etc. any good Indy will do it in less than twenty mins.
I have the part No of the control unit of you need it.
Dave


Thanks for tha Dave, yes if you could post up the part number here that would be great!

Did you convert 997.1 multifunction to 997.2 multifunction?

Do you know what needs to be removed to fit the control unit? - Do you access it from behind the wheel - maybe by removing the clock spring? or do you access it by removing the steering column surround?

thanks again!

post a pic of yours up if you have one to hand, be good to see it!
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
copmots
Silverstone


Joined: 26 Jul 2011
Posts: 139
Location: York Nth Yorkshire


PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re reading your post I realise you don't need tip controls...lucky you.
So maybe the control unit might not be needed. Before you get one just plug your wheel in and see if the multifunction works. Odds on are against it though everything Porsche needs something else to make it work if your doing any kind of upgrade !

The part No is 997.613.289.01 cost me with my trade discount £229.50 inc vat. ( pre jan 2015 price increase ! )

I was going from tip to pdk controls ....paddle shift to follow later.
I also had multifunction but did away with it till I can get a unit in the right colour and price. Even the airbag was the wrong colour but I painted to match the exterior colour.

To fit it you need to remove the steering column shrouds then undo a few torq screws remove clock spring unit etc takes about 15 mins so not a big deal.
Just be careful and don't force anything.
If you live in my area I'll come and do it for you with pleasure.

Anymore info only to glad to help.
Dave
 



IMG_2587.jpg
 Description:
 Filesize:  340.71 KB
 Viewed:  8878 Time(s)

IMG_2587.jpg



IMG_2585.JPG
 Description:
After
 Filesize:  299.47 KB
 Viewed:  8878 Time(s)

IMG_2585.JPG



IMG_2059.JPG
 Description:
Before
 Filesize:  391.42 KB
 Viewed:  8878 Time(s)

IMG_2059.JPG


  
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
   
monster
Hockenheim


Joined: 04 Sep 2010
Posts: 672
Location: Bournemouth


PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice one Dave, your interior looks good - i see you have changed your head unit too!

So is your interior stone grey and you have fitted a black wheel in place of the stone grey one? Does it blend in or would you prefer a grey one?

Thanks very much for your kind offer of assistance, but I'm on the south coast, I'll be ok doing it myself, just trying to find out whether i need to change this control unit or not - but its hard to get a definitive answer, I'll do as you say and give it a go and see if it works or not, I've a feeling I will end up needing the later unit in the end though!

Here's a question! - If the multifunction or horn etc doesn't work with the existing control unit, should I bother paying to hook it up to piwis, or does that mean this unit is incompatible and i should just go ahead and get the later control unit and fit it before hooking it up to piwis - whats your opinion on that?

cheers Dave!
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
copmots
Silverstone


Joined: 26 Jul 2011
Posts: 139
Location: York Nth Yorkshire


PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'am sure you'll be fine fitting another control unit if needed. You will need very small torq screwdrivers.
The wheel I have is actually stone grey although it may not look it in the photo. All in all everthing looks good and more up to date.

As for trying the car on Piwis with the old unit that all depends how friendly your indie is or if your tied into having to go to OPC. If OPC then it could be an expensive experiment. Everthing should work with only a question mark about the multifunction bit. My indie is very local and would try coding for £20.
Usually though newer components won't work with old controllers.

If you fit the later unit the psm light will keep flashing because the new unit even has to be told when the steering wheel is central!

Good luck let me know the outcome. A very worthwhile mod and worth the effort.
Dave
thumbsup
 
  
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
   
monster
Hockenheim


Joined: 04 Sep 2010
Posts: 672
Location: Bournemouth


PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just fitted the new wheel, went on fine, horn works, but multi function controls are not working.

Didn't get any warning lights up, but strangely the horn beeps once when I remove the key from the ignition!

Ive just ordered the later control unit, so I'll fit that next week and see what happens then!

Is it quite straightforward for OPC to program new unit Dave, anything I need to check or remind them? - thanks for all your advice!

My interior is stone grey like yours, but I have chosen to fit a black wheel, Ive got a fair bit of black in the interior, carpets, PCM3 and centre console control units, so it fits quite well and breaks up the grey a bit!
 



IMG_5714.JPG
 Description:
old wheel
 Filesize:  104.48 KB
 Viewed:  8749 Time(s)

IMG_5714.JPG



IMG_5708.JPG
 Description:
new wheel
 Filesize:  103.09 KB
 Viewed:  8749 Time(s)

IMG_5708.JPG


  
View user's profile Send private message
   
copmots
Silverstone


Joined: 26 Jul 2011
Posts: 139
Location: York Nth Yorkshire


PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That interior looks good broken up with some black. The wheel is a massive improvement Imho.
When you fit the new controller nothing will work!
Dash display, tpms, on board computer, Psm light will stay on and pasm won't work! Don't worry anyone with Piwis can sort it all. They just run through the menu centralise wheel, etc. it's just a case of telling the control unit what's fitted and what's not, ie multifunction is a yes, Pdk is a no, etc etc.
They are just programming a new unit irrespective of why it's a new unit.

Which in your case is to have later m/f controls, in my case it was to have Pdk controls.
Hope that helps
Dave
 
  
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
   
monster
Hockenheim


Joined: 04 Sep 2010
Posts: 672
Location: Bournemouth


PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great thanks Dave, Ive got the part on order now, Ive also got the car booked in for a service at the end of the month, so I'll fit the new control unit just before I take it in and get them to program that at the same time as the service!

Yes, I am happy with adding some black, may even paint the rear centre console satin black and fit black gear stick, brake lever and arm rest. I like the stone grey, but its nice to mix it up a bit and create more of a two tone interior rather than have everything grey or indeed any one colour!

thanks again for your input! new wheel feels and looks a lot nicer than the old one which was looking and feeling dated!
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
monster
Hockenheim


Joined: 04 Sep 2010
Posts: 672
Location: Bournemouth


PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a follow up to this thread.

I fitted a new control unit part number 997.613.289.01 (pic attached) into the steering column that controls everything in that area, steering functions and all the lever controls on the steering column.

This unit upgrade is needed to allow the programming of the multifunction controls on the new steering wheel, even though my old wheel was MF also.

As Dave helpfully pointed out, this then has to be programmed with all the options and functions you want working in your car. I had mine in the OPC for its service yesterday, so they were able to get the multifunction controls working and remove al the warning lights that were thrown.

There is also a menu within PCM3 that can be activated via PIWIS which then allows you to assign one of the buttons on the MF steering wheel to any function within the PCM which is useful.
 



IMG_5736.JPG
 Description:
 Filesize:  97.6 KB
 Viewed:  8449 Time(s)

IMG_5736.JPG



IMG_5735.JPG
 Description:
 Filesize:  80.8 KB
 Viewed:  8449 Time(s)

IMG_5735.JPG


  
View user's profile Send private message
   
LWB
Trainee


Joined: 30 Jul 2014
Posts: 52
Location: Hertfordshire


PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

monster wrote:
bs0u0118 wrote:
I can't help here unfortunately, but wanted to ask where you got the wheel and multifunction plate from? Considering doing this in mine.


I purchased them all separately, I got the wheel from the US, it came with non multifunction fascia which I removed, the airbag from Germany, both second hand and bought the multifunction fascia new from local OPC.




May I ask the price for the multifunction panel you purchased from the OPC?
_________________
997.2 Carrera PDK (gone)
Panamera S E Hybrid - GT silver
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
monster
Hockenheim


Joined: 04 Sep 2010
Posts: 672
Location: Bournemouth


PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LWB wrote:
monster wrote:
bs0u0118 wrote:
I can't help here unfortunately, but wanted to ask where you got the wheel and multifunction plate from? Considering doing this in mine.


I purchased them all separately, I got the wheel from the US, it came with non multifunction fascia which I removed, the airbag from Germany, both second hand and bought the multifunction fascia new from local OPC.




May I ask the price for the multifunction panel you purchased from the OPC?


I paid OPC £378 plus government grab! - You can choose black or silver/grey
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic   All times are GMT - 12 Hours
Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next
Page 1 of 3

 
Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You can attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum
You cannot post calendar events in this forum