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Gazc2
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Car looks to be pretty decent Paint aside, everything you need to know about fixing your heating system here

http://www.bergvillfx.com/index.php/services.html

http://www.porschehvac.bergvill.com/

New suspension and you can also fit a paddle shifter to your Tip

welcome to the 964 mass expenditure club Thumb
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MarkGolf
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again for the advice.

deutschland-dobson - That's my baby, began pulling it apart to add a turbo but gave up on that idea for the moment so the front end is all going back on so I can give it a run to some shows this year.

Great advice Ian, I often get ahead of myself but I have already got a list of minor bits to do straight away. I do plan on a gearbox fluid change, something I always do as it is often overlooked, especially with an auto, I have had bad experience in the past so fingers crossed that this lasts.

Thanks very much for those links Gaz, thanks to you I have sent an email about purchasing one of those metal brackets that tidy up the engine bay sound proofing. LED headlights as I hear the standard ones are like candles and learnt about my heating system Smile

Been a VERY long day, I'm going to be picking it up at 6pm and no doubt I'll be there dead on. I have planned the first jobs on it so hopefully they work out! I'll have some updates over the weekend : Laughing Grin Dance Tap Mechanic Fight Cloud 9
 
  
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igaffz
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My tip box used to slam into gear at junctions sometimes and had me really worried, I changed the oil and filter and it's been perfect for 5 years thank god!


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MarkGolf
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's now in my hands! Very Happy

With the 964 only being 10 minutes from my home and my parents being in between, I went along with my Dad as the taxi, we arrived to collect it dead on time and was welcomed by a view of the 964 in its same pink state with a pile of spares next to it.

When I initially viewed the car, I was so excited at the opportunity, I pretty much forgot to check anything!! So even though I had already paid for the car, I thought I'd have a proper look underneath, see the service book and receipts. All were as initially described and ok anyway.

The excitement was then all dampened by a phone call from my mum who had just been in a car accident with her friend whom was driving... So, everything loaded up into my Dads car and off we shot through the Friday escape traffic, I then got another call to say not to worry about coming as the police were dropping her home and apart from pains caused by the seat belt, she's ok.

That all aside and everything settled, I went about unloading the cars and taking a close look around the car. Nothing I hadn't seen before apart from some bubbling to the lower rear wings. No major oil leaks, just appears to be one from a rocker cover, interior is in perfect order, needs new tyres as they're low and cracking, I fixed the rear wiper by yanking it into position, this seemed to free it up and now works! Wink

initial thoughts on the car,
Wipers in my view are annoying
Brake pedal feels odd compared to other cars
Auto works very well
Radio is far away
Annoying intermittent squeal from under dash (fan?)
Picks up speed fast!
I got a 964 worship

Chuffed with the rear wiper now working, I didn't bother checking why it doesn't blow hot air, i wanted to see if I could make it red ( SORRY, I just couldn't resist)
So out came my paint depth gauge, my machine and pads, Polish etc etc and I went straight for it.. After a very short while, I could see the guards red gleaming away. As it was now very dark, I had to call it a night and leave the car looking like a 50/50 demonstration car. I set off to get home (I do most work at parents place) and stopped in a petrol station for pictures.

The side I only went over with a quick detailer with..


The side I did quickly with the polisher, farrrrr from refined


Once home, I brought all of the paperwork and smaller spares in to have a good look through. This was pretty fun, just seeing where the car has been, names of previous owners, work performed etc. all of the original porsche supplied books, key sets, original alarm documentation and fobs, spare belts, gearbox filter etc all very exciting.











The car has a full recorded service history upto 2007/71500 miles. I know the previous owner did all the work himself in terms of servicing and he's told me that he did an oil change in Jan and did at least 1 a year.. The car now has 79700 miles. Regardless of what has been done, I plan on giving the car a thorough going over, if that means booking it into somewhere or doing it myself, I am not sure right now..





With some of the new spares, a new key head was included so I got to work with swapping this on the main key. Happy with my new key and now approx 12:30pm, I decided to go out for a drive.





With roads being empty, I got to have a fairly spirited drive which has left me feeling very smug and impressed, for something so old (in my books), it drives so perfectly, it is no slouch and I love the weight of the steering, the brakes work tremendously well and the interior of the car does rattle one bit! Wow.







A couple of questions..

What is the rocker switch above the ignition for?

Are the icons for the hazard and locking button in the centre meant to light up?

What engine oil is recommended?

My finger is now numb from taping the iPad and I've got to get out of bed so I can take it out for the day Smile
 
  
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Zingari
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking good Thumb

The rocker switch I think switches power to set the door mirror left/right.

Engine oil will result in a subjective debate but most respected Indy now recommend a semi-synthetic like Castrol Magnatec

Yes the centre console lights should illuminate. Common burn out and you need to solder new bulbs to the PCB which is easy to do:

These are the bulbs I used (standard dash bulbs but shaping the wires to fit the PCB:


Removing this original type:


IIRC you can only buy the full PCB from OPC whoch will be expensive!
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MarkGolf
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again, I'll get some bulbs ordered now, love the small jobs like that!

Do you know what weight of oil? I think I read 20/50..

Cheers and I'll go and flick the switch and see what that does Smile
 
  
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igaffz
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

10w40 Semi synthetic Thumb
Your making me want to go out a buy a new car Surprised


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Boxsey
Watkins Glen


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1990 Porsche 964 Carrera 2

PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zingari wrote:
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The rocker switch I think switches power to set the door mirror left/right.



No that one is to the left of the steering wheel.

Rocker switches to the right are to set the time on the clock (blank one) and to operate the intensive wash wiper (symbol one).
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MarkGolf
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blimey, 10w/40! Didnt expect that, at least it's cheap Smile

Thanks on the buttons, I wasn't being patient enough!

I spent a while today just trying to work out why my front window de mister button and recirculating one are upside down, took them out and just can't understand it, it's not a case of just spinning them around, I took one button totally apart and some minute springs shot out, Grrrr. Managed to find them though.

I also tried to move the mixer flap servo and they are both majorly stiff, I have left them both half open so I can get some heat which I did after a drive, so these need further investigation. So no progress as such today. Sad
 
  
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PeterS
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good stuff.

Don't try to fix everything overnight.

Take your time.

It's waited 25 years for your love, another week or two won't hurt.
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deutschland-dobson
Indianapolis


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

igaffz wrote:
10w40 Semi synthetic Thumb
Your making me want to go out a buy a new car Surprised


Ian


Oi Ian, You've got too many as it is!

Mark - congrats on getting her home and enjoy the ownership Smile

I'll give you two months tops and you'll be modifying...

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MarkGolf
Imola


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a habit of going full speed at the very beginning Smile

Cheers Chris, I'm sure it won't be that long... Hand



I must say, this car has come as a surprise to drive. I thought my girlfriend would hate it but she loves it and I'll let her take it to work once I've given it a once over. I used it to do a bit of shopping in yesterday and parked in a multi story, popped off to a country pub for a drive and Sunday roast and let the girlfriend drive it home.



Parked it's younger, bigger brother next to it





I got to spend a bit of time on the car, I removed the 90's edition mobile phone aerial and wire, found out that my mixer servo's are completely jammed so these have been removed but not opened up for investigation as yet, did a button refurb on my air recirculation button and tried to make the buttons the correct way up but this doesn't seem possible..

Also, as the undertrays are not currently fitted, it's been good to see no evidence of an oil leak on the ground Smile

Much driving with no radio on has shown there to be no horrible noises, rattles or creaks. A real credit to Porsche and it's build quality.

Aerial gone!


Fan controller coming out, notice the upside down buttons!


25 years of scum?


Discovered that my reverse and fog lights were working, turns out that all of the terminals needed a good clean, once they were clean, bulbs actually worked!


The b£s&ard fan control, fully apart, springs shooting out from the buttons countless times and no way of sprinning of shuffling anything around to make the button appear the correct way! Baffled!! Question




Thanks to Gaz, I have ordered one of these bars which hide the leading edge of the fraying sound proofing



Currently working out at £46 INC post thanks to the exchange rate Smile

http://www.world964owners.com/#!TIDY-UP-YOUR-ENGINE-BAY-LOW-COST-MOD/c4i3/54dca8ad0cf23137e856d35d
 
  
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Gazc2
Watkins Glen


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

your cracking on at a pace all good stuff, I fitted the soundproofing bar at the weekend one of the easiest best mods I`ve done to the car
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure I read somewhere that replacement buttons somtimes come with the stickers on upside down frustrated


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MarkGolf
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had to order the bar to hide the edge of the sound proofing, things like that keep me up at night!

Ohh, well I have spent some time looking at buttons online and even those look like they would fit into my car upside down. The buttons are keyed and only fit 1 way.. Total mystery!

Look great don't they, at least the refurbed button looks good now.




I spent some time trying to get to the bottom of the non working mixer servo's. Both servos were very stiff/jammed when I first had a look, it took great force to move them but now that they have been free, I can move them with not so much force..

With a power probe and earthing pin 5, I put 12v to pin 4 on the servo's and they both move nicely! Reverse the polarity and they go the other way, great! I plugged everything back in and hoped something would happen but nothing did Sad

My temperature knob activated the rear blower so I am assuming that works fine. I tried to test for voltage on pins 4/5 of the plug which goes onto the server but nothing registered even when getting someone to turn the temperature knob..

Totally stuck on this for the moment. My only options now are, remove the servo's, open up and clean. If that fails, try another CCU..

While I was under there, I oiled up the shaft on the passenger side blower as it was squeaking, now it's silent, so I did something productive!

 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not quite sure of what your heating issue is. Please expand if you can.

I think you're sure that the rear blower is working but are the front fans working? Do they run throughout the temperature range or just when the knob is on the blue dot?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread is taking shape nicely Thumb
Great work so far, as Boxey said we need a bit more info regarding the HVAC to try and help you out.
Keep enjoying it, that's the main thing!
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't dispair, you'll get to the bottom of it thumbsup


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MarkGolf
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the offering of help guys.

The problem, the mixer servos are totally unresponsive to the CCU.
The rear blower works and responds to the temperature knob being turned to the red dot (blower turns on) and the cold dot (blower turns off).

The front fans are working and respond to all fan speed settings and temp ranges.

With all of that, I set about testing the servos which were jammed solid upon my first inspection. After detaching the flap arms, I applied a lot of force and managed to free the servos. I thought this might have got them working again but to no avail. I then applied 12v to pin 4 and earthed pin 5 of the servo unit and the arm moved happily on both servos but they still refuse to work when wired back to the car.

That's where I am with them at the moment.

My next thoughts are to open them up and clean out any internal contact surfaces, perhaps there is an issue with communicating what positions the servo arms are back to the CCU, if the system is that intelligent..

Other than the above, try a new CCU?

I have left the mixer servos in the open position, so now I am being roasted when I drive thumbsup


Some other progress,

I decided to finish up at the gym early and go and give the engine bay some attention. I had given some surfaces a wipe as I noticed a minor oil leak, it turned out to be from the oil filler cap, so I wiped this off, flipped the seal and did the cap up.

It didn't look like the bay had ever been cleaned, so I set about applying Autosmart G101 to all of the oily and grimey areas, followed by a scrub.

Delicate areas wrapped in foil and with the engine still warm, I gave the dirty areas a quick blast with my trusty jet wash. After some poking around, scrubbing and soaking, the bay had come up looking good. I will probably remove the blower and do it again with that out of the way.

Needs more work but certainly better.



Looking forward to getting the fan powder coated in some sort of colour to spice up the bay, probably the usual red or I may go silver.

After it got too dark to continue in there, I set about sorting out the drivers door lock where someone had clearly tried to gain entry. This was pretty easy, a simple job of removing the door card, getting inside the door and undoing the handle and then undoing a screw on the back of the barrel which then let's you pull the barrel out. As I had a spare unmarked handle, I decided to swap the internals of the barrels over so I could keep using the original key if my remote central locking were to fail etc. As very simple job and the total barrel swap took no more than 10 mins. Removing and reattaching the door card took the longest amount of time, especially in the freezing wind with my iPhone hanging out of my mouth for light!







All done!


I think that will be it until my single car day allowance over the bank holiday, girlfriend has out her foot down now!

I pretty much just plan to clean out the inner arches and machine polish it.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarkGolf wrote:
Look great don't they, at least the refurbed button looks good now.


How did you refurb the face of your buttons? I have an AC CCU in my car, so my buttons are slightly different but I have the same problem that some of the black on the face has worn away leaving the white behind and you can't tell what the symbol is supposed to be.

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