Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:28 pm Post subject: My 964 experience..
Hi Guys!
I have taken a bit of a turn from the usual direction I go with my choice of car and ended up buying something that kind of scares me. Normally I know a car in and out before I buy it, having spent months doing research etc etc. Well, I have to admit, I know literally nothing about the workings of a 964, it is the oldest car I have owned, (An L reg was previously the oldest and that is my current MX5 skid car and an old Volvo T5, don't ask..), it is my first experience with an air cooled car and just a car I never thought I would own, always liked them but always been scared.
So, I was about to buy a 996 which was an impulse decision, no need or want for it, just a convenient local purchase.. Before I bit that bullet, I happened to think of an old friend I knew through work, I remember doing some work at his place of work which was a weekly thing and one day, him telling me with glee that he has just bought a Porsche, outside stood this Guards Red 964.. Iconic car and paid a measly £13k for it (7 years ago)... Fast forward and I decided to text him, simply asking, "do you still have the Porsche. A reply comes in, "YES WHY?", I get straight to the point, "Do you want to sell it", he replied with, "Come down and let's talk".
5:30 rolls round and straight from the office, I shoot to his place, I see the 964 looking a tad sorry for itself.. Out comes Dave and a tour begins.. Car starts on the button and is used at least once a week, sounding healthy, I get taken for a spin in it and wow, this thing feels better than my 997, so solid after so many years.
Cutting a long story short, after being told that he needs to sell as he feels he's had it too long, being shown the hoard of new OEM spare parts, complete spare rear light set, complete tailgate, various seals and other random lucky dip boxes, I didn't really care for what was in them, I just knew I had to buy this car. A deal was done and this Friday/Saturday, I will be collecting it. It is currently at an alarm place having a new alarm fitted
She is a tiptronic (Not my choice but couldn't say no) with 79k miles, loads of paperwork, loads of recent work performed, looked after heavily (mechanically), the interior is 100%, exterior just needs a polish although there are 2/3 very light rust bubbles on the wing edges and the spare boot lid is white so I can see myself booking this in for a full repaint.
I could go on but I'll let the pics do the talking!
I cannot wait!
I really want to learn what options it has and how to do a few things..
Things that are wrong, tyres are old, heater does not blow hot air and rear wiper seems to be jammed, otherwise it's just minor bits, mechanically its solid, regular oil changes, new tiptronic fluid along with some replaced pipes, healthy brakes.. Cant wait to get stuck in.
Thought I'd share and keep a diary like I do with my 997, link below.
Oh that's fantastic!...If it was mine I would get it mechanically perfect and leave the paint as is..money can't buy what time has done..looks awesome..
T8 General
Joined: 29 Jun 2010 Posts: 16128 Location: Kent
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: My 964 experience..
MarkGolf wrote:
...... exterior just needs a polish although there are 2 rust scabs and the spare boot lid is white so I can see myself booking this in for a full repaint.
"Just needs a polish"
From those pics it looks like a full respray is required.
The good news is that I'm certain you'd get your money back and probably a lot more. The rest of the car looks very nice.
Whatever, 'Congratulations' on what looks like a terrific find and well done for posting the story. _________________ 2007 Guards Red 997 Turbo Tiptronic
ex 2004 Polar Silver 996T Tiptronic
ex 2002 Seal Grey 996.2 C4 Tiptronic
ex 1978 Silver 924 Manual
Chief Sepang
Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 2760 Location: The Middle lands
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:08 pm Post subject:
What a story, just love that another one joins the fold. Good luck, any help needed just let us know....only a few more sleeps
rob_p Österreich
Joined: 20 Oct 2013 Posts: 988 Location: Leicester
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:54 pm Post subject:
Congrats. Always loved the 964 and they look better than ever.
Looks like we have found the next Magnus Walker.... Nice little collection of 911's you are building there!! _________________ 997.1 C2 (full Hartech rebuild, Ohlins coilovers, ducktail, plus some other bits)
Jeep Grand Cherokee WK2
Ex 991.1 C2
Ex Audi A8 V8 4.2tdi (best all round car I will ever own?)
Ex Porsche Boxster 986
Ex Mazda MX5 mk1
Plus some other stuff that wasn't very interesting....
PeterS Fuji
Joined: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 9293 Location: Solihull
Good solid car to start from (except the gearbox!)
Everything is fixable. The things you mention are familiar to all us 964 owners.
Enjoy her. _________________
clinchy993 Long Beach
Joined: 01 Jan 2007 Posts: 6762
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:08 pm Post subject:
Magnus Walker has just purchased a 964, so you are in good company
paul284pt Albert Park
Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 1699 Location: North Yorks.
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:09 pm Post subject:
Great story _________________ 1980 - 84 924 Turbo with mods. (ex Tony Dron - 12th at Le Mans 1980 with works 924 Carrera Turbo).
1984 - 89 911 SC (1982)
1989 - 93 911 Carrera Sport (1989)
2010 - 964 Carrera 2 (1990) Redtek 3.8RSR
2012 - 14 Porsche Cayenne (2012)
2015 - 17 Porsche Cayenne Diesel S (2015)
2017 - 18 Macan Turbo Performance Package (2017)
2018 - 991.2 Carrera 4 GTS (2018)
deutschland-dobson Indianapolis
Joined: 23 Apr 2008 Posts: 2456 Location: NE England
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: My 964 experience..
T8 wrote:
MarkGolf wrote:
...... exterior just needs a polish although there are 2 rust scabs and the spare boot lid is white so I can see myself booking this in for a full repaint.
"Just needs a polish"
From those pics it looks like a full respray is required.
:
Don't be so sure. The Guards Red paint on the 964 has no top coat and a good machine polish could just sort the job nicely and bring the paint back to life
Chris _________________ Porsche 911 (964) C4 - Project RED - Outlaw4
Guards Red & Linen, Custom Leather, BBS LM Split-rims, H&R Coilovers, Cleaned Bodywork, 90s audio instal...
Simonc Nürburgring
Joined: 27 Feb 2011 Posts: 471 Location: Middx/herts border
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:00 pm Post subject:
Congratulations, welcome to the club _________________ 991.2 Carrera S Agate
1989 964 c4 coupe white manual
VW UP gti
Ex2011 GTS pdk coupe white
Ex2005 carrera s coupe tip
Ex2003 carrera cab man
Ex1998 carrera 4cab man
igaffz Albert Park
Joined: 27 Dec 2011 Posts: 1721 Location: Newcastle upon tyne
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:50 pm Post subject:
Yes that will machine polish up perfect and the tiptronic boxes are spot on, looks like a belter
I was scared and paranoid when I first got mine but once you get used to it you'll be fine.
Ian _________________ Horizon blue, 964 carrera 2 tip, lowered on koni's, k&n, de-cat, cup pipe, leather trim and 18" 3 piece split rims.
Silver 928 S2, B reg, manual.
Guards red 944 lux, the new project!
T8 General
Joined: 29 Jun 2010 Posts: 16128 Location: Kent
Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:48 am Post subject: Re: My 964 experience..
deutschland-dobson wrote:
T8 wrote:
MarkGolf wrote:
...... exterior just needs a polish although there are 2 rust scabs and the spare boot lid is white so I can see myself booking this in for a full repaint.
"Just needs a polish"
From those pics it looks like a full respray is required.
:
Don't be so sure. The Guards Red paint on the 964 has no top coat and a good machine polish could just sort the job nicely and bring the paint back to life
Chris
I'm happy to learn something new every day, Thanks. _________________ 2007 Guards Red 997 Turbo Tiptronic
ex 2004 Polar Silver 996T Tiptronic
ex 2002 Seal Grey 996.2 C4 Tiptronic
ex 1978 Silver 924 Manual
MarkGolf Imola
Joined: 13 Nov 2012 Posts: 796 Location: S.London
Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:38 pm Post subject:
Thanks all.
I am fully confident that I will have the paint looking the total opposite of what it does in the pictures once I have spent some time on it. The licked finger rub test reassured any doubts. I haven't got it in me to leave it with the patina'd look, perhaps if it had patches of rusty etc but as it stands, it just looks a bit pikey!
Once I have got the car up to scratch, I plan on getting it into my good friends at Xquisite Automotive for a show quality paint job. They have always shown some amazing workmanship on my cars in the past, mainly my Golf which has won countless shows including best paint and 5 AutoGlym modified concours standard shows, so this 964 will be in great hands. I'm hoping they can magic a manual gearbox in there.
I follow Magnus Walker on Instgram and noticed that he has recently started on a 964, I'm not so sure on his tastes so I'm sure it will end up looking like a patch work quilt, perhaps he could just buy mine or swap for one of his beautiful 930 T's!
Thanks Chief, I already have a list of questions and I haven't even got the thing yet, I don't even know what quantity and weight of oil it takes!!
I have gone through yours and Dobsons threads so far, great inspiration! I have that excited feeling and only have 1 more sleep, he wanted me to collect Saturday but I've push him to Friday evening and he will kindy drop off all of the spares in his van over the weekend
Thank you all for your comments, I will update any progess once it happens (and I have the car!)
The first thing I want to sort is the hot air not blowing. It has had a new fan (the thing on the upper left hand side of the engine) which I am led to believe is something to do with the hot air in the cabin, so where can I start my investigation? I'll need this as the girlfriend will no doubt complain that it's old and cold when I take her out in it..)
Cheers!
Boxsey Watkins Glen
Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 2237 Location: Part of the NorthWest Crew
The first think you need to check is the 30 amp fuse in the triangular fuse box next to the hot air blower in the engine compartment. It's likely blown or has a 25 amp fuse which will definitely have blown (Porsche uprated the fuse to 30 amp soon after they realized the issue).
p.s. please don't slam it! _________________ Steve
Thanks! That will be the first thing I check once it's home. I don't think I will be slamming this, I would like the take the front end down a touch however, I heard that the front shocks have some height adjustment in them, is this true?
I would love to save myself the effort but I just cannot leave the paint how it is, it goes against everything I do when it comes to cars.
Are there any recommended upgrades I should make to this? I am itching to buy bits and pieces but not sure what it needs/what is advised.
M9JOC Spa-Francorchamps
Joined: 10 Jul 2014 Posts: 373 Location: Aberdeen
Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:27 pm Post subject:
MarkGolf wrote:
I would love to save myself the effort but I just cannot leave the paint how it is, it goes against everything I do when it comes to cars.
I would be the same, would be ace to keep but how much better will that car look when the paint is immaculate. With your attention to detail it will be a brilliant example. _________________ 2007 (57) Porsche 997 Turbo (Tip) in Slate Grey
20" HRE Alloys on Continental tyres, 9E Stage 2 inc IPD,TB & chrome Y-Pipe, Europipe+100CEL, -20mm H&R springs. Gen 2 front & Rear bumpers, Chrono, Adaptive Sports Seats, Full Porsche Aerokit
PeterS Fuji
Joined: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 9293 Location: Solihull
I would like the take the front end down a touch however, I heard that the front shocks have some height adjustment in them, is this true?
Not if they are the standard shocks, so no.
MarkGolf wrote:
Are there any recommended upgrades I should make to this? I am itching to buy bits and pieces but not sure what it needs/what is advised.
You're certainly on the right forum. _________________
igaffz Albert Park
Joined: 27 Dec 2011 Posts: 1721 Location: Newcastle upon tyne
Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:43 pm Post subject:
First I'd be driving it and getting to know it, any funny noises to fix, oil leaks from oil pipes, state of dizzy caps and rotors, dizzy drive belt, oil, filter and plugs. Don't overlook your tiptronic gearbox either, they respond well to an oil and filter change as they get overlooked. Get the front end down, coil overs or koni fsd's. Once she's tip top you can mod her however you want
Don't get to worried about engine leaks unless it going on you drive, lot's of gaskets and rubber seals getting crazy hot and causing leaks!
The fan in the engine bay pushes air to your blowers giving them a helping hand, Google will give you more info. Mine used to stick on hot but it fixed itself! Probably shouldn't have said that
Ian _________________ Horizon blue, 964 carrera 2 tip, lowered on koni's, k&n, de-cat, cup pipe, leather trim and 18" 3 piece split rims.
Silver 928 S2, B reg, manual.
Guards red 944 lux, the new project!
deutschland-dobson Indianapolis
Joined: 23 Apr 2008 Posts: 2456 Location: NE England
Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:21 am Post subject:
Is this your MK3 Mark? I remember reading about it in PVW. One of the nicest i've seen
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I have gone through yours and Dobsons threads so far, great inspiration! I have that excited feeling and only have 1 more sleep, he wanted me to collect Saturday but I've push him to Friday evening and he will kindy drop off all of the spares in his van over the weekend 
