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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay - configurable on the German site. For the €3900 Clubsport pack you also have to option the €2800 bucket seats. The fuel tank is shrunken like the 987R, but a normal sized (64 litre) one can be had for no cost as long as you remember to tick the box. If you like the SportChrono lap timing nonsense they want €1600 for that and if you believe that the ceramics will last this time those are a further €7300.

So, not dry sumped (ought to be okay as long as you don't put slicks on it) and with a sensible options payload a €98-105k car.

Speaking as the target market, I am not currently feeling compelled to acquire - though it does look like a stonking bit of kit.

Footnote - the £80k that these weigh in at specced will still buy an LHD 997.2 GT3.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if they fit the X51 internal oil baffles to the GT4's "integrated dry sump".

In fact, I presume fitting a whole 991 X51 3.8 is no issue (given it's just a detuned 3.8S to start with).

Now that would be a great mod ... 430 NA BHPs Cloud 9
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At last!
I was truly blown away when I tested a mk1 Cayman, both models. In fact I drove a 996 TT tip inbetween and liked the Cayman S more, I then drove a 996 GT3 which scuppered all plans.
So for me the GT4 probably hits everything I could want in a car but......I know it is faster and newer but.....will it be better then a Cayman R? Or do we think the R was just a sell out and the GT4 is the real deal?
Shame about no limiting the run but on the other hand that gives more people the opportunity to grab one.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh my gawd....

Stunning.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For Sale: One 996 turbo, tiptronic, 55k miles.

Also available: One kidney, light use only, 51 years.

One eye, blue, choice of two, take your pick.

Two testicles (very light use lately!)






You get the picture...........

What a gorgeous car, despite not being a 911. Bandit
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DynoMike wrote:
For Sale: One 996 turbo, tiptronic, 55k miles.

Also available: One kidney, light use only, 51 years.

One eye, blue, choice of two, take your pick.

Two testicles (very light use lately!)






You get the picture...........

What a gorgeous car, despite not being a 911. Bandit


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fulla wrote:
At last!
I was truly blown away when I tested a mk1 Cayman, both models. In fact I drove a 996 TT tip inbetween and liked the Cayman S more, I then drove a 996 GT3 which scuppered all plans.
So for me the GT4 probably hits everything I could want in a car but......I know it is faster and newer but.....will it be better then a Cayman R? Or do we think the R was just a sell out and the GT4 is the real deal?
Shame about no limiting the run but on the other hand that gives more people the opportunity to grab one.


Will enquire about the production run. Part of the appeal for this car I assume (like the GT3) is having a small run of them/limited numbers.

I was told by my local OPC that there would only be between c250-400 of these in the UK...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As mentioned, worldwide production run is estimated not to exceed 5k units (although no doubt the GT4 RS. GT4 ClubSport etc etc models will add on top ...)

Given UK market is circa 6% of worldwide sales, this is pretty much bang in the middle of that dealer range (250-400 units).
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT4 wrote:
As mentioned, worldwide production run is estimated not to exceed 5k units (although no doubt the GT4 RS. GT4 ClubSport etc etc models will add on top ...)

Given UK market is circa 6% of worldwide sales, this is pretty much bang in the middle of that dealer range (250-400 units).


Then I think this will be a big seller and yes will affect GT3s.

Many people (myself included) will be looking at a 7.1 GT3 at around £65-70k. Or a newer possibly 7.2 LHD version for this amount. Faced with that choice or a brand spanking GT4 would I believe opt for the Cayman.

But what to I know... Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a shame Porsche didn't really let rip with the GT4 performance -
considering the fantastic chassis and how light the car is.....

GT4 is still (just) slightly slower than a 991 Carrera S from 0-60mph,
obviously Porsche are looking out for the 911 golden child else
this wouldn't be the case.......
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT3s have generally had a higher output than the published figures.
Porsche have intimated the same here ie more than 380-385bhp. Who's to say they won't see 400?

What are the differences with this engine with the various higher outputs, the GTS say? Possible upgrades therefore seem likely?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Preuninger said "385" was conservative and intimated higher actual output.

Stage 1: popping in the fuel map from the 991 Carrera S (400).
Stage 2: popping in the X51 from the 991 Carrera S (430).

I suspect Porsche have given themselves headroom for the mid-life 15-25 BHP lift on the "base" GT4, whist also allowing a further 20-25 BHP for the GT4 RS.

The point is, the Carrera S 3.8 unit can already do this as it stands, for the GT4 life-cycle "roadmap" described above.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank God Porsche have released this car. Now maybe the doom and gloom 911 GT3 is dead/Porsche have turned their backs on the so called 'purists' (again!) brigade will go away. Or buy a GT4.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:36 pm    Post subject: cayman gt4 Reply with quote

That's a lovely looking 991,oh sorry lovely looking cayman,or is it a 991 turbo,oh bollocks they all look the bloody same these new Porsches!! Very Happy
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh, you were lucky to have a 981 and a 991.

When I were a lad, we had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before we went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah ... and we had to tray to discriminate a 986 from a 996!

And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.





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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT4 you have duplicated your pictures Judge
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm assuming that is a joke ... or you should have gone to Specsavers


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is excellent.

I no longer have to worry about GT3 prices skyrocketing.

I would love one of these.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:11 pm    Post subject: GT4 verdicts chaps.... Reply with quote

So now we have devoured the EVO video with Bov interviewing AP what do we think ?



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