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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:56 pm    Post subject: Is the C4S 991 the best sportscar in the world? Reply with quote

Very easy to make this statement, but is this true by putting all the following into the equation......

Everyday use
Power
Cabin interior
Exterior
Drive
Price

What do you all think..... Any other suggestions?
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cayman 981 will run it close (if not beat it) as will BMW M3 E92 (or forthcoming BMW M4), Mercedes AMG C63 coupe, Maserati Gransport Coupe, Jaguar F-type V8. These are the ones I can think of the at the moment.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Is the C4S 991 the best sportscar in the world? Reply with quote

Chrisrido wrote:
Very easy to make this statement, but is this true by putting all the following into the equation......

Everyday use
Power
Cabin interior
Exterior
Drive
Price

What do you all think..... Any other suggestions?


Reliability
Ergonomics
Cost & ease of maintenance
Residual values in future years
Fuel consumption/ carbon emissions
Success in multi make Rallying/racing.

(one make racing is a bit of a cop out really as regards objectively judging competition performance)

For years every Fiat introduced seemed to win European car of the year, yet as they became older they were often viewed as high depreciating unreliable cars. Because of this it is difficult (and unwise) to judge how good a car modle is in the early years of its life.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Is the C4S 991 the best sportscar in the world? Reply with quote

Chrisrido wrote:
Very easy to make this statement, but is this true by putting all the following into the equation......

Everyday use
Power
Cabin interior
Exterior
Drive
Price

What do you all think..... Any other suggestions?


Sounds exactly like a 4-year old 997 Turbo on AUW.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've moved from e46 m3 to e92 m3 to c63 coupe and then its 991 4S so i will let you know in about a months time
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lovely car but more of a Grand Tourer than a Sports Car now.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Missing from that list is:

How it makes you feel (surely the most important point)


And if you're being sensible ......
Residual Value
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

abcheetham wrote:
Missing from that list is:

How it makes you feel (surely the most important point)

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't say that 'everyday use/interior/price' makes a sportscar the best in the world!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about record low CO2 emmisions
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hummer wrote:
Lovely car but more of a Grand Tourer than a Sports Car now.


+1...... But nice
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:00 pm    Post subject: 991 Reply with quote

Well I test drove the 991 4S and was totally underwhelmed by it

Sports car it was not in my opinion, got back in the 996 Turbo S and smiled again

Porsche have a different target market I sense. The Aston, Bentley or Merc driver who they never appealed to before

Not that sure its worked as I dont think sales have been that strong
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to ownE46 then E92 M3

Now own the 991 S 2 and the 911 is by far a much more enjoyable experience.

Don't get me wrong the M3's are Great cars, however the 911 is in another league!

Love my 911!!
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 7:45 pm    Post subject: Re: 991 Reply with quote

Bieldside wrote:
Well I test drove the 991 4S and was totally underwhelmed by it

Sports car it was not in my opinion, got back in the 996 Turbo S and smiled again

Porsche have a different target market I sense. The Aston, Bentley or Merc driver who they never appealed to before

Not that sure its worked as I dont think sales have been that strong


I agree. The Boxster and the Cayman are the sports cars of the range now. The Panamera is the Sporting saloon, the Cayenne the sporting SUV and the 991 is the GT. It's grown up now. There will be no 928 like Panamera 2 door. That would just clash head on with the 991 because the 991 is right in that same GT space. So it wont happen. Which is a bit of a disappointment. I would imagine that such a car would be a brilliant and fantastic looking GT. But the average 991 buyer is probably of an age that wants a GT more that an out and out sports car so there you go. And there's a lot of profit in the higher margin GT category.

Of course we'll still get the GT3 and all that but any car can be modified into a track style evolution for a Halo effect (and profit). But most people willl buy and drive the 991 Grand Tourer.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

er, am puzzled by the

"And if you're being sensible ...... Residual Value"

All 911s depreciated, but 996 and 997 by more proportionally than their predecessors. Just look at current 996 values relative to original list prices.

Can't see any good reason why 991 will be any different, fine car though it is.

997s have depreciated at roughly same rate as most of its peers, early £20k now for decent 60k milers.

All supercar brands seem to depreciate more than 10-15 years back - perhaps due to production numbers being so much higher? Even Ferrari's suffer (519 & 612) feature on 10 worst depreciating cars.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tallmat wrote:
er, am puzzled by the

"And if you're being sensible ...... Residual Value"

All 911s depreciated, but 996 and 997 by more proportionally than their predecessors. Just look at current 996 values relative to original list prices.

Can't see any good reason why 991 will be any different, fine car though it is.

997s have depreciated at roughly same rate as most of its peers, early £20k now for decent 60k milers.

All supercar brands seem to depreciate more than 10-15 years back - perhaps due to production numbers being so much higher? Even Ferrari's suffer (519 & 612) feature on 10 worst depreciating cars.


I'm not sure pre 996/997 cars depreciate of appreciate any more. Except for the real early classics, these mid term 911's just seem to pass from one enthusiast to another for roughly the same money all the time give or take couple of grand. It's a funny old market, more like a custodian's club.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was in OPC this morning with the 996, ogling the showroom they had a cayman, £61K with some extras (folding mirrors are an extra) and a cooking 991 with extra's pushing the price north of £80K.
All very nice and I love those platinum coloured wheels.
Is the 991 the best sportscar in the world.

I would ask have you tried a 997 GT3 or GT3RS Bow
That is a sports car.
 
  
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