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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 9:28 am    Post subject: New 2013 991 Porsche 911 TURBO & Turbo S are here+ NEW Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 9:41 am    Post subject: New 2013 991 Porsche 911 Turbo and Turbo S are here Reply with quote

Porsche has revealed the Turbo derivative of the 911, coinciding with the Turbo model’s 40th birthday. As you would expect from a car with such pedigree, the 991-era Turbo is another festival of lightning performance and advanced technology.

For the first time since its introduction to the Porsche line-up four decades ago, the 911 Turbo goes without a manual gearbox. As with the latest 911 GT3, the new model will be sold exclusively with a seven-speed dual-clutch auto.

Now in its sixth iteration, the latest 911 Turbo will see numerous technological advances to ensure it stands proud at the top of the 991-generation tree.

Retaining its customary four-wheel-drive layout, the Turbo benefits from a power increase to 513bhp (552bhp in ‘Turbo S’ form) from the twin-turbocharged 3.8-litre flat six, good for a 0-62mph sprint of 3.2 seconds in Turbo guise (with Sport Chrono Plus Package) and 3.1 for the Turbo S. This is achieved while also managing to improve fuel economy by an average of 16 per cent.

The changes applied across all 991 models (aluminium composite chassis, 100mm wheelbase extension) meet those first seen in the 911 GT3 (rear-wheel steering, PDK-only transmission), but the Turbo also brings some of its own cards to the table.

Adaptive aerodynamics is now the order of the day in this performance bracket, and Porsche has given the Turbo a front spoiler and deployable rear wing, both with a choice of attack angles. These combine to enable the driver to choose between optimal efficiency (you’ll need this to attempt the claimed 198mph top speed) or dynamic performance – with the latter, Porsche’s engineers shaved two seconds off the car’s Nordschleife lap time.

The Turbo is visually differentiated from more sedate 911s not only by its traditional signifiers such as the wider arches (the 991-gen Turbo is the widest road-going 911 ever) and the vents on the rear haunches, but also its new all-LED headlights – with camera-based beam control – and two-tone forged 20-inch wheels. The latter will have central locking hubs on the Turbo S.

The Turbo S also receives the novel PDCC active anti-roll system, Sport Chrono Package Plus with dynamic engine mounts and PCCB ceramic brakes, all of which are also available as options on the standard Turbo. In the United Kingdom, the 911 Turbo starts at £118,349; the Turbo S costs £140,852.

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The 40th anniversary of the Porsche 911 Turbo is to be celebrated in style with the introduction of the fastest, most powerful and most technically sophisticated version yet: the new 991-series.

The sixth generation of the 911 Turbo, pictured here ahead of a planned public unveiling at the Frankfurt motor show in September, will be offered with the choice of two power outputs as Turbo and Turbo S models.

In standard guise, the new four-wheel-drive 911 flagship’s twin-turbocharged 3.8-litre flat six engine produces 20bhp more than its direct predecessor, at 513bhp. That’s double the output of the original 1974 model, whose feisty turbocharged 3.0-litre flat six produced 256bhp.

In more sporting Turbo S guise, the new 911 Turbo’s reserves swell by 30bhp over the previous version to 552bhp. That’s sufficient to provide it with claimed 0-62mph acceleration in a McLaren 12C-equalling 3.1sec, together with a 198mph top speed.

Porsche has yet to confirm the torque rating of its new engine, but indications are that it has risen above the 516lb ft of the old model, if only slightly.

As with all recent 911 models, the new Turbo has grown in size. Length is up by 40mm, at 4490mm, and width extends 28mm beyond that of the latest Carrera 4 to 1878mm, due to customary flared rear wings.

The adoption of aluminium in the inner and outer body structure is claimed to bring the new car under the 1570kg kerb weight of the old 911 Turbo for a vastly improved power-to-weight ratio.

The increase in external dimensions brings a significant change in chassis geometry, with the wheelbase growing by 100mm to 2450mm and the front and rear tracks extending well beyond the 1490mm and 1550mm of the old model. Larger wheel housings permit the fitment of 20-inch wheels and those on the Turbo S feature centre-lock wheel nuts.

In line with the latest 911 GT3, the new 911 Turbo receives four-wheel steering. Porsche claims that this provides it with new levels of agility and the ability to lap the Nürburgring in a time that undercuts that of the Carrera GT, at a claimed 7min 30sec. It forms part of a new steering system that adopts electro-mechanical operation for the first time.

Also included is a new active aerodynamic package, with a three-stage front spoiler and a modified three-stage rear spoiler to improve downforce.

Further developments include Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control, which uses hydraulically operated anti-roll bars to reduce body roll, pitch and lift. It comes as standard on the new 911 Turbo S and — in combination with dynamic engine mounts, carbon-ceramic brakes and full LED headlamps — will form part of the Sport Chrono package available as an option on the 911 Turbo.

Reacting to criticism of the old 911 Turbo, the new model receives a so-called ‘sound symposer’ to accentuate the sound of the inlet manifold and heighten the overall acoustic qualities of the revised engine.

For the first time since its introduction to the Porsche line-up four decades ago, the 911 Turbo goes without a manual gearbox. As with the latest 911 GT3, the new model will be sold exclusively with a seven-speed dual-clutch auto.

Also included is a revised multi-plate-clutch four-wheel drive system. It now sports water cooling for improved efficiency and an added ability to place the 911 Turbo’s reserves to the road.

The UK order book is open now, with deliveries starting in September. Prices are up by about 10 per cent for each model, in line with other 991 variants. The Turbo starts from £118,349 and the Turbo S from £140,852.

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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Porsche model offensive in the anniversary year of the 911 is reaching new heights. 50 years ago, the 911 made its debut at the Frankfurt International Auto Show.

And just ten years later, the first 911 Turbo prototype was at the IAA. On this 40th anniversary Porsche is now presenting the new generation 911 Turbo and Turbo S – the technological and dynamic performance peak of the 911 series.

New all-wheel drive, active rear axle steering, adaptive aerodynamics, full-LED headlights and the up to 560 hp flat six-cylinder engine with bi-turbo charging underscore the role of the new generation 911 Turbo as a circuit racing car, everyday car and technology platform.

Playing an equally crucial role are the entirely new chassis in lightweight design with a 100 mm longer wheelbase and larger 20-inch wheels. The PDCC active anti-roll system, which is being offered for the first time in 911 Turbo models, increases dynamic performance even more.

This system is standard equipment in the 911 Turbo S, as is the Sport Chrono Package with dynamic engine mounts and PCCB ceramic brakes; all of these features are also available as options in the 911 Turbo.

The results: The new 911 Turbo S shortens the lap time for the North Loop of the Nürburgring to well under 7:30 minutes – naturally with standard production tyres. The standard sound symposer intensifies the driving experience; it transmits induction sounds of the turbo engine to the passenger compartment via a speaker diaphragm.

More power, fuel economy improved by 16 per cent
The performance partners in the powertrain area are the further advanced engines and the new PTM all-wheel drive system. The turbocharged 3.8-litre six-cylinder engine with direct petrol injection produces 520 hp (383 kW) in the 911 Turbo and 560 hp (412 kW) in the S model. Porsche continues to be the only carmaker to offer two turbochargers with variable turbine geometry for a petrol engine.

Power is transferred to the drivetrain via the seven-speed dual clutch transmission (PDK), which now enables an auto start/stop function with engine shutoff that now activates earlier during coasting to a stop as well as a coasting function. Together with the new thermal management system for the turbo engine and the PDK transmission, fuel efficiency technologies have reduced NEDC fuel consumption by up to 16 per cent to 9.7 l/100 km; these figures apply to both models.

New all-wheel drive with electro-hydraulic control

For an even faster and more precise power distribution to the two axles, Porsche developed a new all-wheel drive system (PTM) with electronically controlled and activated multi-plate coupling. The system is equipped with a new water cooling function, so that it can direct even more drive torque to the front wheels if necessary.

Simultaneously, the optimised interplay of the engine, transmission and all-wheel drive systems takes the new top 911 to even better sprint capabilities. The 911 Turbo with the optional Sport Chrono Package accelerates from zero to 100 km/h in 3.2 seconds, which is even one-tenth better than the value of the previous 911 Turbo S. The new 911 Turbo S handles the standard sprint to 100 km/h in just 3.1 seconds. The car’s top speed is 318 km/h.

Widest body of all 911 cars

The two new top models display their performance visually more than ever. The characteristic, expansively wide rear body panels of the new generation 911 Turbo are 28 mm wider than on the 911 Carrera 4 models – they feature a nearly level surface, about the width of a hand, between the C-pillar and the outer edge of the car body. Other differentiating characteristics include two-tone forged 20-inch wheels – on the 911 Turbo S they have hub wheel locks.

The Turbo S is also making its appearance with new full-LED headlights that feature four-point daytime running lights and dynamic, camera-based main beam control, which can be ordered as an option for the 911 Turbo.

Rear axle steering sustainably improves handling

The introduction of rear axle steering in all turbo models immensely improves both circuit racing and everyday performance of the two new top sports cars. The system consists of two electro-mechanical actuators instead of the conventional control arms on the left and right of the rear axle.

The steering angle of the rear wheels can be varied by up to 2.8 degrees, depending on vehicle speed. At speeds up to 50 km/h, when the front wheels are turned the system steers the rear wheels in the opposite direction. This actually corresponds to a virtual shortening of the wheelbase by 250 mm, which gives the 911 Turbo unrivalled performance in bends. The system lets the car turn faster into the bend and offers more dynamic steering response. This noticeably simplifies manoeuvring and parking.

At speeds above 80 km/h, the system steers the rear wheels parallel to the turned front wheels. This is equivalent to a virtual lengthening of the wheelbase by a significant 500 mm and gives the sports car tremendous stability, especially at high speeds. At the same time, the steering input by the driver leads to significantly faster build-up of lateral force at the rear axle, which initiates the change in direction more spontaneous and harmoniously.

Active aerodynamics improve efficiency and performance

Porsche developed an active aerodynamic system on the new 911 Turbo models for the first time — Porsche active aerodynamics (PAA). It consists of a sturdy, retractable three-stage front spoiler, whose segments can be pneumatically extended, and a deployable rear wing with three adjustable wing positions.

This makes it possible to tune the aerodynamics of the 911 Turbo to fulfil driver wishes for either optimal efficiency (speed position) or top dynamic performance. In the performance position, all segments of the front spoiler are fully extended, and they generate considerable downforce at the front axle. Similarly, the rear wing is extended to its maximum height with the greatest angle of attack.

This also generates more downforce at the rear axle. Dynamic performance is improved to such an extent that lap times at the North Loop of the Nürburgring are improved by up to two seconds due to this system alone.

New interior with high-end features

The interior was completely redesigned in both 911 Turbo models, and it builds on the 911 Carrera family. The S model is particularly well equipped, offering such features as an exclusive interior in a black/carrera red colour combination and adaptive sport seats plus with 18-way adjustment and memory.

In addition, the seat backrest shells are leather upholstered with double cap seams and various elements in carbon look. Like on the previous models, the Bose sound system is installed as standard; for the first time, a Burmester system is also available as an optional feature.

A radar-controlled cruise control system, camera-based road sign recognition and speed limit recognition are other new options being offered.

















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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is really one goddamn filthy sexy looking car thumbsup
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed ^^^^ but looks naff in silver imo. Quite a premium for the Turbo S compared to a 997 Turbo S. Also, the 991 GT3 clocks in at almost £20k cheaper than a 991 Turbo - pretty sure Turbo drivers aren't going to ignore that.

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...Hmm.... But GT3 and Turbo's are not really substitutable though... A person interested in a Turbo isn't necessarily interested in a GT3 and vice versa are they.... Question
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed again ^^^^. I am most likely a Turbo person given my driving style but now that the 991 GT3 looks so good and much more aggressive than a 991 Turbo, the GT3 looks more the £118k car than the Turbo does. No doubt it will be much more fun to drive too not to mention less depreciation.

Just my thoughts but yes, perhaps a Turbo owner would overlook a GT3 but I think this would be a folly. More 991 GT3s on the roads than 991 Turbos....?

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Hmmm a 15% increase over the previous S, it's going to have to be exceptional to justify that price imo...
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I like the big wide open vents, makes the car look lighter to me. It's has a bit of a fighter-jet thing going on as well which looks good to me. Cool
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

s2000db wrote:
Hmmm a 15% increase over the previous S, it's going to have to be exceptional to justify that price imo...


and the Turbo S, IMHO has lost some what was always special about it, coming out at the same time ie a Turbo with all the options picked.....

Still you can up spec the S past £160k

£100k GT3 is now looking a bargain !
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Because of the performance figures of the new GT3 I would consider one over a new turbo. I imagined the new turbo would have better performance seeing as how they managed such good figures from the GT3. 0-60 times there is almost nothing in it.

If the Turbo is only available with PDK then I would consider the GT3 over the Turbo when the time comes.
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If the Turbo is only available with PDK then I would consider the GT3 over the Turbo when the time comes.


991 GT3 only available in PDK as well.

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Yeah that's my point. If I could get a 991 Turbo with manual transmission that would push me toward the Turbo over the GT3. However if they are both only available with PDK then I think I'd choose the GT3.
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Given the Turbo does not have the rock hard suspension of the GT3 it's got the (armchair experts say naff) PDCC. worship

Got to live with these cars before you can really know what they're about

Turbo £118k, the new McLaren P13 is supposed to be it's price competition as is the new R8 V8
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Tony 991S wrote:
Got to live with these cars before you can really know what they're about


Question

... How do you live with it before / until you buy it...?
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After being given a ride in Roro's 997 GT3 a few months back, I have to say I didn't find the ride rock hard; firmer than my Carrera sure but very compliant at the same time. I was pleasantly surprised.

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The GT3 I used to own certainly was, to a then 60 year old Old

My dealer also advised against the 991GT3, although he did know I 'used' to have a letter of intent for the turbo
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 6:17 pm    Post subject: 991 Turbo Reply with quote

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The new Porsche 911 (Type 991) Turbo and Turbo S coupé

I am pleased to inform you that the new 911 (Type 991) Turbo and Turbo S coupé models were announced worldwide today.

There are a number of Turbo models available but there is only one 911 Turbo. The benchmark for everything that Porsche builds, the 911 Turbo reaches the pinnacle of what is technically feasible and the latest coupé models are no exception.

Whilst externally the new models remain distinctly Porsche, fitted as standard is rear-axle steering that delivers greater manoeuvrability and safety as well as significantly increasing driving performance. A further enhancement is the introduction of Porsche Active Aerodynamics (PAA) that provides the perfect combination of everyday practicality, efficiency and performance, all achieved in true 911 style.

With a 3.8-litre engine and seven-speed Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) transmission as standard (manual version also available), the latest 911 Turbo coupé produces an impressive 520 hp and generates 660 Nm of torque. The 911 Turbo S coupé delivers 560 hp and with the ‘overboost’ function as part of the Sport Chrono Package, 750 Nm of torque can be obtained and a 0-62 mph time as low as 3.1 seconds.

Despite all this power, fuel consumption and CO2 emissions are up to 16% better than the previous models, thanks to innovative systems that keep the vehicle weight low and make optimum use of fuel.

The new 911 Turbo coupé and the 911 Turbo S coupé will be on sale from 28 September 2013. Pricing is as follows:

911 (Type 991) Turbo coupé £118,349.00 (incl. VAT at 20%)
911 (Type 991) Turbo S coupé £140,852.00 (incl. VAT at 20%)


An order can be made by placing a £10,000 deposit with our Porsche Centre. Included in the total price is a half day driving experience at the Porsche Experience Centre, Silverstone and a three year warranty.

For more information on the 911 Turbo models please contact us, or visit www.porsche.co.uk

Yours sincerely

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Rear-axle steering improving directional agility

Fitted as standard, the new rear-axle steering improves both performance and practicality. An electromechanical adjustment system at each rear wheel enables the steering angle to be adapted based on the driving situation, steering input and speed.

At low speeds the system steers the rear wheels in the opposite direction to the front wheels, giving the virtual effect of a shortened wheelbase. The turning circle is also reduced providing improved manoeuvrability. At higher speeds there is a continuous transition between steering the wheels in the opposite or same direction (depending on the driving situation) that provides greater agility with no loss of stability.


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Porsche Active Aerodynamics (PAA)

For the first time Porsche has used active aerodynamics to provide the lowest possible aerodynamic drag whilst increasing downforce where it is needed. This is made possible by a combination of a variably adjustable front spoiler and rear wing which extend or retract depending on the driving situation.

There are three settings; Start, Speed and Performance. In ‘Start’ the front spoiler and rear wing are completely retracted increasing everyday practicality and reducing the risk of underbody damage. In the ‘Speed’ setting, the front spoiler and rear wing are partly extended at speeds above 74 mph ensuring a high level of stability and low aerodynamic drag, whilst enabling a high speed. With ‘Performance’ activated either via the Spoiler button or in conjunction with the Sport Plus button in the Sport Chrono Package, the front spoiler and rear wing can be completely extended. This high level of downforce on both axles provides the car’s full performance potential and helps with braking at a high speed.




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Distinctly Porsche

There is no doubt that the design, proportions and contours of the 911 Turbo models are distinctly Porsche. The rear wings are 28 mm wider than on the previous models and provide a more purposeful stance. The height of the car has been reduced whilst the wheelbase is 100mm longer improving stability.

Typical features of the 911 Turbo are the split rear wing and adaptive spoiler which have been completely revised. All the design features make the new 911 Turbo models appear even more powerful than before.


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Key statistics 911 (991) Turbo coupé 911 (991) Turbo S coupé
Maximum power (hp) 520hp @ 6,000-6,500 rpm 560 hp @ 6,500-6,750 rpm
Maximum Torque (Nm) 660 Nm @ 1,950- 5,000 rpm 700 Nm @ 2,100-4,250 rpm
Acceleration (0-62 mph) 3.4 secs 3.1 secs*
Top speed (mph) 195 mph 197 mph
Combined (mpg) 29.1 29.1
CO2 Emissions (g/km) 227 227

*With Sport Chrono package as standard.



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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maxie wrote:
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If the Turbo is only available with PDK then I would consider the GT3 over the Turbo when the time comes.


991 GT3 only available in PDK as well.


A bit of a mixed message on the PDK-only thing for the Turbo. The official email from Porsche GB that came this morning said :
"With a 3.8-litre engine and seven-speed Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) transmission as standard (manual version also available)..."
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