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jonttt
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dream911 wrote:
How much did the new alarm board cost?


The breakdown was:

Kit = new alarm board, red master , x1 new fob = £165+vat

x1 additional new alarm fob = £45+vat

Delivery £15+VAT

Total including VAT = £270

muggins here will do the labour so that's free
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonttt wrote:
dommorton wrote:
......

Slight OCD fail there with the non Porsche branded fobs though. Sleep well Surprised

Grin


They won't stay like that Wink

I read your post re the problems you had with your alarm board and thats what made me order the kit Very Happy
The complete story (which fits in line with my OCD) is that I was sat having a beer outside the cafe de paris in Monaco whilst SWMBO was shopping (payback for buying the Porsche without telling her Dont know) and yep you've guessed it I had my ipad reading through old forum posts Surprised I phoned up P&H and placed the order before I had finished my beer (but at 15 euro a pop you drink them slowly!) Grin


Go careful reading my old posts! They'll cost you a whole lot of money and time Grin
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goodies have been arriving all week including ......

T-OBD Diagnostic Cable

http://www.bergvillfx.com/products.html

I have experience of getting early BMW OBDII complaint cars to work and to be honest it can be a bit of a nightmare but doeable. So I was not particularly looking forward to starting this ie I knew if the comms did not work I would not be able to leave it and it could take up days of my life PC

I have to say it could not have been easier..... Plugged the T-OBD into my laptop USB drive, drivers found (windows 7) automatically. Went to car and plugged diagnostic end into car, started engine, plugged into computer again and worked first time Thumb

So results........

1 error code Surprised

but not that serious (I hope).

The CCU (climate control unit) is showing 43 =Rear blower motor speed 1

I'll post up in a new thread to see if anyone has experience of this. I'm guessing its either a faulty motor or relay.

It will go on my list (number 1) of warranty items for Strasse.

I'm getting the car inspected and RSR's fitted by Unit 11 in a few weeks. My plan is if the full list of faults is cheap / easy I will just get sorted myself. Otherwise car will be going back into Strasse to honour their 3 month warranty. Its one of the nice things about a good indy warranty. I should not have to worry about faults, the main issue is identifying them within the 3 months Very Happy

Some pics:

The T-OBD. A robust well made piece of kit.




OBD connection point in passenger footwell with cover removed




Example diagnostic screen for main DME


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A quick question.......

On driving home tonight I noted that all interior buttons etc.. light up as one would expect with the exception of the actual light control knob itself. It seems strange that this is the only one not lit.

Is this normal or has a bulb gone ?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My next task ended up in an epic fail, 2 hours wasted time but a curry after Very Happy

I thought I would swap over the alarm boards as it would only take me an hour ie whip out the passenger seat, alarm unit, swap boards, put back together and check new fobs work, simplez.

Well not quite. The alarm unit is secured to the car with 2 security bolts. I managed to remove these with a normal 6mm socket. There are then 4 normal screws and 4 security screws on one side that need removing. I also think only 2 of the security screws actually need removing. The reason I only think this is I could not get the bu$$ers off.

So a quick trip out (not as it was in rush hour!) to the local car factors, halfords, screwfix, tool shed and none of them had the required bit (Halfords had down to 8mm Evil or Very Mad )

So what did I learn from this:

- make sure you have the right tools before the job (to be fair there are no instructions on how to replace the board as I think it was originally a dealer only job)

- driving with no passenger seat made me feel like I as on track

- I hate putting things back I know I'm going to have to repeat again PC

Anyway correct bit ordered off fleabay.

Silver lining was I drove part of the way back behind a rather lovely 993 C4S Surprised I felt like I was going to a meet Very Happy


PA1000 alarm unit




I had to cut one cable securing strap to get the unit out (after to 2 security bolts to the floorpan)




I managed to get the first 2 out with a normal socket without much drama




unit removed. Note it is a very tight fit under the metal bracket but will work its way out




Label under the unit




and the stubborn bolts on the side (top bottom in middle) that I could not remove


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonttt wrote:
A quick question.......

On driving home tonight I noted that all interior buttons etc.. light up as one would expect with the exception of the actual light control knob itself. It seems strange that this is the only one not lit.

Is this normal or has a bulb gone ?


Bulb has blown Jon.
The reason is that it's constantly powered once the key is turned past first position , so it'll blow quicker than other lights. I'd say most 993's are driving with the bulb blown and the owner not knowing the difference.
I can't remember the exact bulb , but I've a few spares if you want me to send one to you ,no prob.
To replace the bulb , just GENTLY pull the selector switch towards you, it should pull off with medium pressure, but be careful the retainer teeth are brittle. The bulb is nestling within the switch in the dash (it can be stuck in there and need to be removed with your other halves tweezers Smile .. )
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, did you not see the RS screwdriver specifically for these screws on my thread?

A lot easier with one of these.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ballcock wrote:

Bulb has blown Jon.
The reason is that it's constantly powered once the key is turned past first position , so it'll blow quicker than other lights. I'd say most 993's are driving with the bulb blown and the owner not knowing the difference.
I can't remember the exact bulb , but I've a few spares if you want me to send one to you ,no prob.
To replace the bulb , just GENTLY pull the selector switch towards you, it should pull off with medium pressure, but be careful the retainer teeth are brittle. The bulb is nestling within the switch in the dash (it can be stuck in there and need to be removed with your other halves tweezers Smile .. )


Thank you for the clarification. I'll add it to my list and get it sorted. Thanks for the offer re the bulb but my OCD tendancies will force me to buy a stock of them now Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dommorton wrote:
Oh, did you not see the RS screwdriver specifically for these screws on my thread?

A lot easier with one of these.


frustrated I've read so much information re the 993 over the past few months I've obviously forgotten most of it already Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:23 pm    Post subject: Becker Cascade Install Reply with quote

First off I have to thank Fourtuitous for his advice and link earlier in this journal about his install. The swapping of pin 6 from plug C1 to pin 5 on socket A probably saved me many hours of frustration (see pics below for detailed description).

First off some facts:

- my car has the Sound Package (option code M490). I'm not sure what difference there are to the standard install (amp ?)

- there is an amp under the driver seat but no subwoofer

- the amp ideally needs unamplified spealer line outs

The install...

The aftermarket Sony headunit in the car when I bought it




The aftermarket wiring "box" and harness. These seem to be used to bypass the OEM plug C1 (ie the speaker wires) to the amp. There is actually no need for this and the original OEM harness could have been used if the installer understood the amp trigger wiring (more on that later). This aftermarket box and cable can be removed.




As the original OEM headunits where actually made by Becker (not sure if all but certainly the ones I'm aware of) then the OEM wiring should just plug straight back in. So you have to hope its not been butchered or cut out. Thankfully mine was intact.




The yellow plug is referred to in the Becker manuals as C1 and the Black plug as A. The only other thing you need is the aerial plug which has its own signal wire attached (the aerial has its own powered amplifier and this signal wire turns it on when needed).

C1 is the speaker and sub woofer line outs. Or at least it should be and thats what the Becker Cascade heanunit is expecting. However in the OEM wiring pin 6 is the signal wire to tell the amplifier its needed and to turn on. So if you just plug the yellow plug C1 into the headunit the amp won't work as pin 6 will be giving a sub woofer signal instead of a trigger signal. I'm not sure if this is a change Becker headunits (old v newer) ?

The trigger signal is actually on plug A pin 5 "control signal for aerial / amplifier". The trouble is this pin is already used to trigger the aerial amplifier. So you need to share this trigger by connecting two wires to it ie cut the white wire going to C1 pin 6 and joining it to the aerial trigger wire.

Plugs A and C1 in the headunit





Note that the empty sockets next to C1 (known as C2 and C3)are used for the Ipod lead (or CD changer) and telephone microphone which come with the Becker headunit (Ipod lead bought seperately)

There is no middle socket as this would be for amplified speaker connection which is not needed with the amp (C1 line outs are used instead).

Note you will need an aerial adaptor to connect to the Becker. If you have an aftermarket unit fitted this will probably already have one you can reuse. I've reused the one from the Sony




To get the amp trigger you have to cut the white wire to pin 6 C1




I also cut off the OEM connector for the aerial trigger so I could use a shared spade connector




The shared amp and aerial trigger wires with a spade connector to the wire going to plug A pin 5.



nb this was all taped up after pics.

There was one "mysterious" green wire present which I have no idea what it does so I left it alone



You have to make sure the OEM amp end of the speaker cable is connected. Mine had been unplugged so the aftermarket bypass could be connected but was securely lying alongside. I simply plugged it back in.




There are 3 other signals that the Becker Cascade can use which you need to consider

a) GAL (speed signal for volume ie faster = louder)
b) light signal (so when its dark the display changes intensity / colours)
c) reverse (used by the sat nav to guess position is GPS signal lost eg tunnels)

Plug A had a GAL wire already connected so no need to worry about that one.

b) and c) signals I believe can be sourced from the adjacent Climate Control Unit. However the Becker Cascade model has its own built in light sensor which you can use to change display brightness and I prefer to use that. Plus I'm not bothered about reversing in tunnels. So I decided not to connect these signals.

You then have to connect up and fit the GPS receiver for the sat nav and microphone for the hands free bluetooth telephone.

I believe you can fit the GPS receiver under the dash above the centre vents but I decided I wanted a totally unobscured GPS line of sight as from experience with my previous installs when you are one the move and want the GPS to update quickly even a slightly weaker signal can make a massive difference. It therefore installed on top of the dash on the driver side corner. It is hardly noticeable here and the bonus is you can route the wiring totally hidden without removing any trim.

I decided to fit the microphone on the ledge in the centre of the dash. It give a good reception from here and was easy to wire in. I may move this later but for now think it looks fine (I could follow the GPS up further past the alarm sensor up to above the windscreen)

I also bought the Ipod interface cable. The Becker Cascade has one of the best ipod control interfaces I've ever used. Plus you only need to use an old battered iPod as it will not be seen by anyone. Usually I would locate this in the glove box but the 993 glovebox is not exactly cavernous so I decided to locate this under the dash as there is a space on top of the central tunnel hidden away. I am going to fit the Ipod with velcro so I can simply stick it under there and it is still easily accessible to remove for updates / adding tracks.

So the finished install......




I already have one of these units in my Z3m so I knew what to expect. The OEM looks are second to none and much better than Porsches own updated offering.

The sound quality is superb. It makes the Sony sound very cheap in comparison and really makes full use of the speakers and fills the cabin much more fully than the Sony unit.

The hands free phone is a breeze and Ipod integration second to none.

The only think you need to get used to is sat nav without a map but I only use it in emergencies or general directions anyway. If I really need a sat nav I use the one on my Samsung S3 which has a large enough screen and is as good as my TomTom.

Becker have pulled out of the radio market to concentrate on sat navs which is a real shame. These really are the perfect headunits for cars of this era with modern features and perfect OEM looks.

The one downside with Becker pulling out of making these is the lack of ongoing support. However you can update the units to the last V5.2 system software (which I have done) and this allows you to load current BMW maps (I have 2012 maps on at the moment but will be updating to 2013 next week). Its a bit of an art in doing it but once you know how its easy. I'll post up more on that next week.

All in all a good afternoons work Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:53 am    Post subject: 993 Reply with quote

I feel totally inadequate reading this

I have had my 9934S for over 10 years and only put petrol in it and wash and polish it

Jonttt has only had his for 10 minutes and rebuilt it

Please stop !!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

really enjoyable thread keep it up - quite inspiring as well!
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oops, I was going to do some gardening today, honest. But after I washed the car (well it looked like it might rain) it rained so I could not do any gardening Very Happy . SWMBO not impressed.

So I did the only sensible thing whilst she took our 3 year old swimming, I tinkered with some interior bits n pieces on the car Very Happy

The leather gearstick was not really worn but the leather was showing its age in the sense of being very smooth with absorbed dirt and oils etc.....

Replacements are c£150 but I did not need to replace it all, just the leather. So I sourced a leather replacement and set about fitting that.....

I decided to go for black rather than the original midnight blue as I thought it would look better (I will be fitting a black steering wheel as well).

The original with bottom retaining band released






You have to remove a secondary metal securing clip of the gearstick shaft itself and then the top of the gear stick just pulls off.






Then use a blunt knife to remove the cap






and pull the old leather off




The replacement leather




Pull it over the gear stick until there is an overlap






and then tuck it in




You need to rescue the original retaining ring from the bottom of the old leather to reuse




and the finished result when all back together which I am really please with. The leather will "bed in" with use.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:22 pm    Post subject: Re: 993 Reply with quote

Bieldside wrote:
I feel totally inadequate reading this

I have had my 9934S for over 10 years and only put petrol in it and wash and polish it

Jonttt has only had his for 10 minutes and rebuilt it

Please stop !!
know how you feel Gorden,but some things(FOR ME),are best left as nature intended. Thumb
 



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The original porsche Becker units look great. Much better than any none Becker aftermarket units I've seen. I would have gone back to oem but need handfree as I live on my mobile. I also tend to listen to my ipod more than the radio to get me in the right "mood" for a spirited run.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:03 pm    Post subject: 993 Reply with quote

Just washed the Turbo S

Will stick in the garage this week and get out the 9934S - unmolested as if I tried anything like Jonttt nothing would work afterwards

So I just leave well alone but I have to admire someone who can tweak cars

Keep it going - amazing stuff!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not that it matters much jonttt but the Sony head unit isn't strictly aftermarket as it was original dealer fit. I've kept mine because it was originally supplied with the car and is on the original invoice - but it is carp Thumb

Never use the wireless in the car anyway... Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:26 pm    Post subject: Re: 993 Reply with quote

Bieldside wrote:
I feel totally inadequate reading this

I have had my 9934S for over 10 years and only put petrol in it and wash and polish it

Jonttt has only had his for 10 minutes and rebuilt it

Please stop !!


I knew he was going to be like this after his first ever post. Son of Jackal.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow I never knew that, I've got so much to learn about these cars it's great. I know every fact and stat about the Z3m's I needed a new challenge.

I guess I should get mine out of the bin now Smile

So the black box speaker cable bypass may have been a dealer fit? I wonder why they did not just move the amp trigger which would have been so much easier.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonttt wrote:
So the black box speaker cable bypass may have been a dealer fit? I wonder why they did not just move the amp trigger which would have been so much easier.


No idea but I have the cassette head unit Thumb but with a 6 CD changer - again fitment by the dealer. However, I had a look under the front boot carpet today (whilst checking my suspension top mounts) and the wiring is a complete mess! In some places they've used three times the length of cable required and just looped it and cable-tied it. Rolling Eyes
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