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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have owned/driven Audi's with the electromechanical system.......not great/ a patch on what was fitted to the 911.

The 993, 996 and 997 all had great steering systems(i have owned/own them). IMO the 991 may have killed off one of the previous generations greatest attributes.......as well as creating a Carrera which has now been eclipsed in the power stakes, by many mainstream sports cars such as the M3.

I don't know where Porsche/VAG are heading with this new model but it's not all good news thus far, IMO.

Moreover, a diesel 991 would not suprise me.

"Pure" Porsche 911's may ultimately become more valuable than many think vs the VAG cars.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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" If your moving up from an Audi or BM you will be happy enough................I suppose.


No matter what car you're used to I'm sure the steering will be fine, unless you're Lewis Hamilton of course

Not sure why the negative comments about a major step up from the 997, 7.37 for the Ring which is same time as a GT3, so yes, the steering must be really crap.......... I suppose Wink Friends


You mean the 991 S? I think in other areas the car has been improved(ie balance, suspension etc etc) which is of course good news

It's not just about how fast a car is.....its about how involving and enjoyable/fun it is to drive, that makes some cars very special.

Hopefully they have not reduced the fun/enjoyment DNA too much on the 991.....that's all I am saying.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think we need to experience it for ourselves not get too down hearted
Some writers have said its bad others haven't if it was terrible all would say so
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PDK/Manual - http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/new-porsche-911-review/260151

PDK - http://www.topgear.com/uk/porsche/911/road-test/carrera-s

Aggregated review - http://www.carbuzz.co.uk/car-reviews/Porsche/911-991
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://cars.uk.msn.com/reviews/review-porsche-911-991-2012-onwards
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Higher revs need to extract best performance, steering changes, some 911 idiosyncrasies lost forever"

Hmmm a common report eminating from the road test(even the yanks have picked-up on the electro-mechnical steering aspects of the 991)!

Suppose its not an issue if your new to 911/trading up from a SL merc/Audi TT/AM etc, which may be the market Porsche are going after while leaving many of its installed base of 911 owners behind/to chose something else that is a bit more focused/edgy/scary/unpredictable but possibly more rewarding/involving to drive Dont know

Will be taking them up on the test drive/launch invite for December though.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And yet something is different. Maximum power is reached at 7,400rpm, peak torque at 5,600rpm, both around 1,000rpm more than in the previous 997 version of the 911. On the road this translates into a Porsche that needs more revs to get the adrenalin flowing, and rather shockingly it can feel a little uninspiring at the lower engine speeds that naturally you use most of the time.


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It changes the character. The steering is as sharp and precise as ever, but the feedback from bumps and small surface imperfections has largely disappeared. It's all progress says Porsche, but there are also reasons to mourn the loss of the old 911 character.


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Now there is a standard-fit "Sound Symposer". Push the Sport button and a membrane transmits vibrations from the engine to the area around the rear parcel shelf for even "sportier driving pleasure" (that word again). Yet whatever you do, there's a newfound drone from the exhaust system, impossible to dial out, that can become tiresome


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But it's not a five star car. By building a Porsche for a broader audience of buyers, a few too many of the little things that form an indelible part of the 911 appeal to enthusiasts have been pushed away.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still say wait till you drive it ,it's all too easy to listen too these reviews it's your opinion as a customer that counts
If the 991 isn't as focused in base trim the there is the gt cars
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I still say wait till you drive it ,it's all too easy to listen too these reviews it's your opinion as a customer that counts
If the 991 isn't as focused in base trim the there is the gt cars


I have said before that people sitting with good 996/997 GT/RS's(the last of the true Porsche(not VAG) 911's) could be laughing all the way to the bank in a few years time.

WTF...is this a car for ponces?

Now there is a standard-fit "Sound Symposer". Push the Sport button and a membrane transmits vibrations from the engine to the area around the rear parcel shelf for even "sportier driving pleasure" (that word again). Yet whatever you do, there's a newfound drone from the exhaust system, impossible to dial out, that can become tiresome
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I still say wait till you drive it ,it's all too easy to listen too these reviews it's your opinion as a customer that counts
If the 991 isn't as focused in base trim the there is the gt cars



or a 450BHP M3 for £20k less than a base £70k C2 with just 349BHP output?

Yes the GT/RS cars will always be special but IMO the 991 base car needed at least 385BHP(with 420/440 for the S)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wizzard993 im not a ponce! But everyone should make there own mind up
Why listen to a Jurno ?
He might not like 911 ?
But you not driven one and already you denounce it !
 
  
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Wizzard993 im not a ponce! But everyone should make there own mind up
Why listen to a Jurno ?
He might not like 911 ?
But you not driven one and already you denounce it !


With 345BHP the base 991 is already a bit of a flop at £70k(IMO)

I suppose if it's good enough to try and make a Ford sound better it's good enough for the base 991.


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Thankfully, I don't need an induced vibrating parcel shelf to enjoy any of my current 911's......911, there is no substitute.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could have been worse, Wiz could have denounced it as a nonce's car.

This is clearly more likely to apply to earlier models; the 991 now having rear seats almost large enough for those reaching the age of majority.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where Porsche not supposed to be leaders......not followers?

What next? A 991 that parks itself when the driver can't.

The more I read about it the less interest I have in the base C2
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