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996_momo
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:29 pm    Post subject: Power steering hose corrosion Reply with quote

Quoted 750 quid to fix the power steering cables in a recent major service. I'm assuming this includes labour. That sound right?
6 yr old car , 35k miles. Its not an emergency and wont split anytime soon im told but OPC made it sound like it wouldnt last 6 months.
Should i get indie to check? Do OPCs rely on lazy types like myself to just accept what they say for easy £ ? (that should be a rhetorical question i sound a numpty reading it back)
 
  
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brumbrum
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Depends on which hose needs to be replaced, try to find out more info.

I replaced the pressure return hose on my car a few months back (from bottom of the column, through rack, over tank etc). All in all quite a big job - price wise if it's for a rack connected pipe then seems very reasonable for the time / work involved. dropping covers, front sub frame etc

It can be a tricky job replacing the pipes, no special tools required normally, a ramp makes it alot easier - I did it without a ramp with a friend mainly to see if I could rather than the cost, I was quoted about £1k to replace and also an aircon hose so sounds similar to yours when split it down, I would never do it again though, a right pain

Probaby 150-200 cheaper through an indie

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996_momo
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thx brumbrum. i'll ask the particulars again in the morning - i draw a line at changing a wheel , so ramps and pipes and whatnot is so far over my head i cant even hear the whooosh.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see that you live in your car, where does your car live? We might know a good Indie in your area................
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy
My car lives in SW London
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rhenders wrote:
I see that you live in your car,....


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A common 996 / 986 fault in my experience
there 2' ferrules' that corrode

and about £750 to cure
the first one corrodes then the second
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark pearce wrote:
A common 996 / 986 fault in my experience
there 2' ferrules' that corrode

and about £750 to cure
the first one corrodes then the second


+1

Now, me being a scrooge I always find alternatives... the ends can be removed and better ones fitted, do a Google search on Hydraulic hose repair (local to you) and people like these will come up -
http://www.tidyco.co.uk/siteservices/hose_doctor/default.asp
I had one done on my Honda S2000 for £22 inc vat !!!
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baptistsan
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:37 am    Post subject: Power Steering Pipe hose corrosion ; clamp work around? Reply with quote

The clamp on the power steering hose is splitting (common problem?) and was wondering if there is a work around for solving this?

TIA.
 
  
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stolchie
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:50 pm    Post subject: Power Steering Hose clamp ... Reply with quote

Hi baptistsan,

I have the same issue at the moment - the hose itself is fine but the thin metal (alu?) "clamp" is starting to prize-apart.

I got my local OPC to use a couple of "Hard-pulled", small, tie-wraps around it for the time being. Looking to get this fixed in the next 3-6K miles.

They said the job is a pig for time and hence a £1k bill.

Everything seems to be fine about 2K miles after the tie-wraps have been applied.

So....I'm also interested to see what the rest of the group comes back with here - ideas anyone? Wink

- BTW, my car's a 2003 C2 Manual with about 70K miles.

Cheers, Si.
 
  
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minny
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My carrera had the same problem and I opened up a jubilee clip and fastened it round the split bit. 3 years after I did it the repair still looked sound with no evidence of the pipe moving. The Indy that looks after my car said it looked secure enough.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Based on that I'm thinking I will check it again in 1-2 months and if fine 'probably leave it Wink

Cheers and Happy New Year to all on here Smile
 
  
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baptistsan
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys.

Thanks for the suggestions. Had thought of both methods, but was curious as to whether they would hold up to the pressure that the pas is operating at.

In fact, anyone know what sort of pressure the pas is operating under?

May well give the jubilee clip a go.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very common problem. The aluminium sleeve crimps the rubber pipe over a taperd end on the pipe. The crimp corrodes with salt contamination and the rubber expands at the weakest point.

I used the widest Stainless jubilee clip I could find 1/2" , did it up very tight with a socket and painted the whole joint with waxoyl.

2 years later - no further deteriation.

I have never heard of one of these pipe joints letting go and other manufactures often use jubilee clips as a primary fixing on pressurised power steering pipes.

This forum would be an ideal place for anyone who has had a joint actually burst to make it "public" so that better precautions could be taken?
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baptistsan
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have found these:

http://www.jubileeclips.co.uk/dynamic/search_result.aspx and http://www.zeroclips.com/emward_jeppe.htm

Anyone know what diameter I need?

Also wonder if it's the high or low pressure size where the crimp is failing?

Bit of a daft design if you ask me.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:14 am    Post subject: Power steering hoses Reply with quote

A common problem as you say. OPC Exeter quoted me £750 for the pipe replacement as the front end has to be dropped and the steering geometry etc all re-checked afterwards. OPC said until the crimp is opened to about 80% then it just needs monitoring. Parts are about £150, the rest is labour. If it is the return pipe the pressure is much less and thus poses less of a problem. If the main supply then pressure is much higher etc. Jubilee clip seems to be favourite fix on most forums (fora?). I will put a clip on mine in a couple of weeks when the brake fluid is changed by my local brake/tyre/exhaust place and the car accessible from underneath. As you say, not a very good design with the replacement costs so high.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know which pipe you are all on about being a noob, but could it be repaired? I have had Pirtek or the likes out many a time to Jaguars to carry out on car repairs to gearbox and PAS pipes due to the same. Just a thought. Question
 
  
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Red993C4
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chrisisle wrote:
I don't know which pipe you are all on about being a noob, but could it be repaired? I have had Pirtek or the likes out many a time to Jaguars to carry out on car repairs to gearbox and PAS pipes due to the same. Just a thought. Question


I suspect that accessibility would be just as much of a problem for repairing the union as it is for replacing the pipe.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe mate. Just a thought Thumb
 
  
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baptistsan
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My offside crimp/clamp is the one that is splitting. If I put the wheels on full lock (steer right) then the pipework is fairly easy to get at, no need to jack the car up or anything.
 
  
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