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pmjt
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The key difference between the GT2 and the TT is the front differential - TT is of course 4WD - GT2 CS also had things like single mass flywheel and all GT2's had different gear and final drive ratios to TT.

On a straight line, the GT2 will edge ahead of the TT by being first off the mark - at around 100mph the TT will be catching it.

On a circuit the reduced oversteer on the TT means it'll turn in sharper but will be less driftable - so you have to be more accurate with your exit - and the exit understeer will be very noticable. The line for a TT is completely different to a GT2.

The GT2 is an awesome machine - as Adrien pointed out - a well set up GT2 will be quicker than a '3' primarily because of the straight line performance. The '2' has wider track both front and rear and is harder to position through the corners compared to the '3'. In the hands of a skilled driver the '2' will always be faster. However on a circuit like Cadwell or Anglesea where you have very little room, the '2' will be a handful - at Oulton - different story.

Through the corners a '3' will be all over the TT - however the TT's straight line grunt will leave it on the exit / straight. Another thing to consider is braking - even with PCCB the TT has more weight to scrub speed from - so the '3' doesn't need to be hauled up in the same way as the TT - making it faster through the corners.

Weight is a key factor - TT's weight considerably more than '3's - not only comfort items but also front differential and drivetrain.

TTS, as pointed out by another poster, had X50 and PCCB's and special paint - that's it.

993GT2 is a very different machine to 996GT2 - but the 996GT2 is very much a race proven machine - however the GT2 class in ALMS / LMES became less competitive with the growth of the prototypes and in FIA GT the GT2 couldn't compete with the Saleen's, Fezza 550GT's etc - and GT3 class in FIA was roughly 50% of the running cost of higher classes. So not many people campaigned 996GT2's.

996GT2 had GT1 derived engine, rose jointed multi-link suspension etc - so was very much a race car ready to go - people like Rupert Lewin have campaigned GT2'Evo' vehicles with c. 700bhp (produced by PSI motorsport) but the lack of factory race programme for GT2 - along with the lack of competition class for GT2 meant the 996GT2 didn't enjoy racing in the same way as 993GT2.

The 996GT2 is not as celebrated as the 993GT2 - hence being roughly half the price of a 993GT2 - however they made five times as many!

BIGGEST problem with s 996GT2 is, as Adrien points out, driver ability - they're a sod to concentrate on all the time - and as others have said, a '3' will always be more fun Wink

Which is why I sold my '2' and bought another '3' Very Happy

Philip

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks alot lads.you gave many useful answers.someone mentioned how turbo s is not much better than standard turbo,does s version have some drawbacks compared to the standard turbo?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Standard turbo has 420bhp and 560Nm torque and steel discs.

There was an engine upgrade for the turbo, option X50, which raises that to 450bhp and 620Nm.
This cost about 8.5K.

There was an option for PCCB (ceramic brakes), I can't remember the option number. This was something like 4-5K I think.

A late model standard turbo with X50 and PCCB's is identical to a turbo S (apart from the badge on the boot).
The reason I say late model, is that over the 4-5 years they made the turbo, more of the items became standard.
The last 1.5 years of production had everything included (sat nav, Bose, etc.)

There is no downside to having an X50 or turbo S car.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank you.will there be a 997 turbo s or they wont make it ?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Quote: Originally posted by vanja on 02 December 2006
thanks alot lads.you gave many useful answers.someone mentioned how turbo s is not much better than standard turbo,does s version have some drawbacks compared to the standard turbo?


Yes - one major one - 20,000 more! Confused

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Quote: Originally posted by vanja on 02 December 2006
thank you.will there be a 997 turbo s or they wont make it ?


The 993 Turbo S was a genuinely special model - unique in many ways - the 996 TTS was, in my opinion, a marketing hype - so they'll probably do the same with the 997 when it needs refreshing Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Quote: Originally posted by pmjt on 03 December 2006

Previous poster wrote:
Quote: Originally posted by vanja on 02 December 2006

thank you.will there be a 997 turbo s or they wont make it ?


The 993 Turbo S was a genuinely special model - unique in many ways - the 996 TTS was, in my opinion, a marketing hype - so they'll probably do the same with the 997 when it needs refreshing Rolling Eyes


interesting point about the 993 TTS, so it was more than just the engine upgrade and the extras ? I've heard this before but would like to know more !


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

993TTS: Rock solid suspension. Really rock solid. Carbon everywhere inside Confused
. 450hp as standard (available on late TTs as the X50 upgrade which was originally 408 (standard TT) -> 430 -> 450hp. Groovy bodykit with different tail spoiler and rear wheel arch air intakes. Yellow calipers, but the brakes were not ceramic!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Quote: Originally posted by pmjt on 03 December 2006
Previous poster wrote:
Quote: Originally posted by vanja on 02 December 2006thank you.will there be a 997 turbo s or they wont make it ?[/QUOTE]The 993 Turbo S was a genuinely special model - unique in many ways - the 996 TTS was, in my opinion, a marketing hype - so they'll probably do the same with the 997 when it needs refreshing Rolling Eyes


996 TTS was an end of life version to shift the last cars. It had nothing special, so was a marketing exercise.

997 TTS will be an end of life model too, I should think.
If they follow the 996, then:
997 TT will need to be around for about 2 yrs, then there will be an X50 option. Then about 2yrs later there will be an S for the last 6-9 months of production. Then it will go out of production for 2 yrs while people wait for the 998 TT.

997 TTS will have all the options included, but will be about 3-5K cheaper than buying a TT and adding them all yourself.

This should be the general scheme.

If they do not make a 997 GT2, then I reckon there might me a more focussed club sport type turbo. Just my idea and have not read anything anywhere about this. But there does not seem much need to make a GT2 (since there is no need to build a homologation special and to make it purely for marketing reasons, devalues the badge too much.)

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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996 TTS was an end of life version to shift the last cars. It had nothing special, so was a marketing exercise.997 TTS will be an end of life model too, I should think.If they follow the 996, then:997 TT will need to be around for about 2 yrs, then there will be an X50 option. Then about 2yrs later there will be an S for the last 6-9 months of production. Then it will go out of production for 2 yrs while people wait for the 998 TT.997 TTS will have all the options included, but will be about 3-5K cheaper than buying a TT and adding them all yourself.This should be the general scheme.If they do not make a 997 GT2, then I reckon there might me a more focussed club sport type turbo. Just my idea and have not read anything anywhere about this. But there does not seem much need to make a GT2 (since there is no need to build a homologation special and to make it purely for marketing reasons, devalues the badge too much.)





sounds about right....

just like they said that when they launched the new 997, there would be no C4 version as the C2 was so good.......

and then a year later as sales start to level off, they launch the C4 version.......


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so turbo s isnt really worth the extra money? except the ceramic brakes and increased power does it have any other important upgrades ? dont think those extra 30 PS make a big difference..

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having the X50 option, on either a standard turbo as an option, or on the S bundled on, is worth having.
You do notice the difference.
The bigger turbos, better intercoolers and modified gearbox, are also useful if you plan to upgrade it later.

The ceramics are not worth having really.
They are just too damn expensive for a consumable item.

If you really want more stopping power, you are better off following the GT3 boys and getting some 6 pots with some better discs. I believe the Alcons are well though off, and with no holes in them, are not prone to cracking.

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