Thinking of buying a GT3

Piers, Show me the pics and specs of your E30 M3 please, Im thinking about getting one in Jan/Feb time!

I LOVE e30 m3's!


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Quote: Originally posted by scotia_steve74 on 08 December 2006

If you want a decent mileage Mk2, I think you're looking at early 50's realistically, up to late 50's from an OPC. Personally I think you should be looking at Mk1's at that budget as it will allow for any issues and a reasonable disc/tyre/other stuff budget. I would also say that the Mk2 I am getting next week is not much worse of a ride than a 997 Carrera or 987 Boxster with 19" wheels.I agree that the CS Mk1 will retain value well, but also think that the Mk2 will have a slight premium in years to come personally. I think the two may bottom out mid-thirties or early forties but I also thought was Boxster would retain value better! Personally I prefer the Mk2 as I'm not a fan of the earlier shape 996 as much. I think people are becoming less emotional with purchases and there is a disspoability factor with society that makes even the 997 a great buy after a couple of years at relatively cheap prices!


spot on steve....

finding a good one is tough and anything sub 50 will probably have no air con or something else........

40k for a mk1 is still lhd territory.....

give it 12 months for the mk2 market to be under 50.......... but supplies for the 997 are very limited and their premiums and keepig mk2 prices high..

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Piers,

As with any GT3, the weakest link is the driver. The 996GT3 is an honest car and it will not save you with PASM/PSM/TC/4wd. That's why you see quite a few GT3s spin on trackdays! (this is no dig at my friends here from todays TD at Bedford as I've spun there more than probably anyone else here! )

So this leaves the question of "which GT3 do I go for?". The Mk1 is a rawer and more visceral car than the Mk2. I've recently learned that part of this is due to the Mk1 being a more mechanical car than the Mk2 - in particular the throttle inputs... the Mk1 retains a mechanical throttle linkage, whereas the Mk2 employs the e-Gas (fly-by-wire) throttle. The driving of both cars can be adjusted so that a Mk2 is just as pointy as a Mk1, but the Mk2 always feels a little more ponderous, imho, than the Mk1 due to: wider track and marginally heavier (but noticeable) weight. But standard out of the box, the Mk2 is a marginally quicker car given the same driver... we are talking tenths here.

Whatever GT3 you go for, go for one with a good service history. Servicing is everything on these highly strung cars. As many of them get pushed in their performance, they need servicing almost as much as cup/race prepped cars. It's not surprising that a Cup car and properly setup GT3 are relatively close in their performance.

A lot of GT3s have been "used as intended", but that should not put you off IF IT HAS BEEN PROPERLY LOOKED AFTER by the right specialists, not just any specialist.

Cheers,
Adrien

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Quote: Originally posted by Elite on 08 December 2006

Piers, Show me the pics and specs of your E30 M3 please, Im thinking about getting one in Jan/Feb time!

I LOVE e30 m3's!

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sure thing - reinsured it today on classic policy for £167 ;o)

internals all stripped, has full cage, sparcos, harnesses, 245hp with koni/leda setup. is such fun, and is one of the reasons for going GT3 rather than TT route. More power isnt necessarily always better

cheers


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Quote: Originally posted by oceancarrera on 08 December 2006

Piers,As with any GT3, the weakest link is the driver. The 996GT3 is an honest car and it will not save you with PASM/PSM/TC/4wd. That's why you see quite a few GT3s spin on trackdays! (this is no dig at my friends here from todays TD at Bedford as I've spun there more than probably anyone else here! )So this leaves the question of "which GT3 do I go for?". The Mk1 is a rawer and more visceral car than the Mk2. I've recently learned that part of this is due to the Mk1 being a more mechanical car than the Mk2 - in particular the throttle inputs... the Mk1 retains a mechanical throttle linkage, whereas the Mk2 employs the e-Gas (fly-by-wire) throttle. The driving of both cars can be adjusted so that a Mk2 is just as pointy as a Mk1, but the Mk2 always feels a little more ponderous, imho, than the Mk1 due to: wider track and marginally heavier (but noticeable) weight. But standard out of the box, the Mk2 is a marginally quicker car given the same driver... we are talking tenths here.Whatever GT3 you go for, go for one with a good service history. Servicing is everything on these highly strung cars. As many of them get pushed in their performance, they need servicing almost as much as cup/race prepped cars. It's not surprising that a Cup car and properly setup GT3 are relatively close in their performance.A lot of GT3s have been "used as intended", but that should not put you off IF IT HAS BEEN PROPERLY LOOKED AFTER by the right specialists, not just any specialist.Cheers,Adrien

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thanks for the advice guys, really appreciate the thoughts. Completely agree on the driving side of things - most fast cars i've ever had i've probably only been at 60-70% of what they CAN do, so speed isnt the important thing for me until i hone my abilities (that attitude usually keeps me safe too!!)

I'll keep my eyes open - its my 30th at xmas, so Insurance may be friendlier then too!!

cheers


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Quote: Originally posted by PiersFox on 08 December 2006

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Quote: Originally posted by Elite on 08 December 2006

Piers, Show me the pics and specs of your E30 M3 please, Im thinking about getting one in Jan/Feb time!

I LOVE e30 m3's!

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sure thing - reinsured it today on classic policy for £167 ;o)

internals all stripped, has full cage, sparcos, harnesses, 245hp with koni/leda setup. is such fun, and is one of the reasons for going GT3 rather than TT route. More power isnt necessarily always better

cheers

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mean n menacing looking there Piers,what wheels are those btw??

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Piers, if you've enjoyed direct pointy cars like the e30 M3 then i expect that you will enjoy the GT3. They're not for everyone though so i'd suggest getting a test drive in anything available - even if its a £60k car at an OPC. It'll give you an idea of what they're about.

Doubt you'll be disappointed

Love the e30 by the way, always wanted an evo sport but could never get my head round lhd.

Cheers

Dunc


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Quote: Originally posted by Rodders on 09 December 2006

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Quote: Originally posted by PiersFox on 08 December 2006

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Quote: Originally posted by Elite on 08 December 2006

Piers, Show me the pics and specs of your E30 M3 please, Im thinking about getting one in Jan/Feb time!

I LOVE e30 m3's!

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sure thing - reinsured it today on classic policy for £167 ;o)

internals all stripped, has full cage, sparcos, harnesses, 245hp with koni/leda setup. is such fun, and is one of the reasons for going GT3 rather than TT route. More power isnt necessarily always better

cheers

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mean n menacing looking there Piers,what wheels are those btw??

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Amazing looking car, beautiful! Rodders I think they are Hartge wheels.

Piers I may need some advice fromyou in the future if I decide I want one.


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happy to give advice where poss ;o)

They are indeed Hartge's.

Drove a 2004 C4S today - was v v impressed. Very sharp, pointy and felt quicker and more responsive than the 01 turbo i drove a few weeks back. I loved it!

I may need to use the new car every day, so C4S could be the route to take possibly, keeping the M3 as the toy for the track.

any thoughts on the C4S? - Depreciation is main worry. heres the atlas grey one i drove...

http://www.alexanderdavid.co.uk/GetDealer.do?did=8444&pageid=1


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There's a Cobalt Blue Mk2 GT3 on eBay at the moment that looks tidy... could be a typical road-only used GT3.

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yeh, he lives near me - was supposed to go view this morn but we had issues with getting time - maybe a little over budget as well, so dont want to waste anyones time etc.

cheers


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speaking of which... on top of the purchase price, I'd budget a minimum of £2k for the first year in service, geo, and other bits. You will find yourself driving a GT3 far more than you originally planned! :wink:

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Love the e30 by the way, always wanted an evo sport but could never get my head round lhd.

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i was always the same, but its weird how your brain can get used to jumping from one to the other. Soon as i sit on the left my brain automatically switches to dogleg mode! - can be an issue when driving foreign hire cars and always trying to pull away in 2nd


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