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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:49 pm    Post subject: Anyone know either of these two 997 GT3s? Reply with quote

There are two white 997 GT3 Clubsports listed on Autotrader, one with Joseph Shaw near Manchester, and one with Ashgood Classic and Sports Cars near Slough.

I wondered if someone on here might have some knowledge of their history, or possibly have enjoyed previous ownership?

Would be grateful for any info.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not know either of them although the Joseph Shaw one has an aftermarket cage and what some GT owners consider to be high mileage (54,000 miles - we don't them being driven Very Happy ) which may put some buyers off.

The Ashgood one seems more OEM with a factory rollcage @ £59,000 and the 'proper' alcantara seat covers (still high mileage 60,000 Very Happy ).

I like the fact that both seem ore like drivers cars with no communications package - not needed on track.

Now has to be the time to buy with markets at all time lows and everybody about to sucuumb to the pandemic. Prices could of course dip further when everyone re-evaluates their lives.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pip, thanks for the insight on their differences, interesting.

Considering an occasional, but regular, track day car that will not be used as a daily.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pip, thanks for the insight on their differences, interesting.

Considering an occasional, but regular, track day car that will not be used as a daily.

David


If its up for 59, then they probably got it for 45-50.

Also, is your GT2 RHD and the RUF one?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting to speculate, but guess they have to make a margin of some kind.

My GT2 is an original UK supplied car, OPC Leeds. Standard apart from Surface Transforms ceramics, a Tubi and a short shift. Was out to play in the sunshine on the RS day at Oulton earlier this month.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ill drop you a pm about price.

As for your GT2, ah ok, i thought there was only one SY GT2 in the country and its RUF tuned. SOmeone years ago said there was no C16 SY cars so they lied to me.

What size did you go for with the ST discs as when i enquired, they didnt make them for the 996 GT3 or did you have yours recoated?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the white 997 at ashgood is an OEM club sport with Nomex seats so money goes there for me.

also 60k on a mezger. bah its barely run in. its not a Carrera/C2S engine after all.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Initial impression, considering comments on original spec, Ashgood car would seem the better option.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its got ceramics too and the carbon interior and that CS spec is killer for me.

ceramics can be an issue on older cars but you can tell the condition on inspection. wrecked ones are rough to the touch and look for the darker coloured shape like a 50p on the outside face. if you see that they are done and need changing/resurfacing.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

B19TOY wrote:
Initial impression, considering comments on original spec, Ashgood car would seem the better option.

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From all accounts, they seem good guys to deal with.

If you have a budget, then, as others say I'd not let mileage put you off. There's not much about for sale, but the entry point for lower mileage Clubsports is going to be a fair bit more.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if its not a daily car then the mileage will come down relatively speaking over a few years

good to see one used and a lot of the 30/40k mileage issues ironed out
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ceramics can be an issue on older cars but you can tell the condition on inspection. wrecked ones are rough to the touch and look for the darker coloured shape like a 50p on the outside face. if you see that they are done and need changing/resurfacing.
Theat generation of PCCBs aren't any good on track anyway; don't last.

OP would be advised to stick some Alcon steel discs instead or go the full Surface Transform like he has on the GT2. But I am sure he knows all that.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ceramics can be an issue on older cars but you can tell the condition on inspection. wrecked ones are rough to the touch and look for the darker coloured shape like a 50p on the outside face. if you see that they are done and need changing/resurfacing.
Theat generation of PCCBs aren't any good on track anyway; don't last.

OP would be advised to stick some Alcon steel discs instead or go the full Surface Transform like he has on the GT2. But I am sure he knows all that.


Indeed that does describe my GT2 PCCB brakes experience, swapped them out and went through several Alcon discs (front) before going for ST ceramics.

If I do progress on the GT3, the plan would be to fit ST.

And I still have the GT2 PCCBs and final set of Alcons stored in a box, for posterity.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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if its not a daily car then the mileage will come down relatively speaking over a few years

good to see one used and a lot of the 30/40k mileage issues ironed out


Yes I would probably drive under 3k per year.

What issues are there that I should be looking for? How robust is the LSD for track use?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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B19TOY wrote:
Initial impression, considering comments on original spec, Ashgood car would seem the better option.

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From all accounts, they seem good guys to deal with.


That is really good to know, thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

B19TOY wrote:
NLW73 wrote:
if its not a daily car then the mileage will come down relatively speaking over a few years

good to see one used and a lot of the 30/40k mileage issues ironed out


Yes I would probably drive under 3k per year.

What issues are there that I should be looking for? How robust is the LSD for track use?


The standard / OEM 997 GT3 LSD is chocolate, I suspect now these cars are 12/13 years old, most will have had the original LSD replaced by now. My guess is it’s actually the cars that have been used on track that will have had the part replaced though as that’s where you would notice a shot LSD most I’d say. Definitely worth asking / looking for evidence that the LSD has been upgraded and when Thumb
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ps

Some useful info elsewhere here e.g this thread if you haven’t already seen it http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=133532
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Roro
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like Ashgoods have increased the price of the GT3 by £4K and a number of other vehicles they are selling, which is an odd decision in the current climate.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at the pictures mileage is 64000 not 60000.
 
  
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