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Double DIN upgrade? Any advice? Apple play?
- Thread starter C11BRA
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Had the Pioneer fitted today (Autosounds in Newcastle - great bunch).
All in, including removing the old Denison b/t and cabling, matching trim, steering wheel control, dab aerial, mic and Pioneer 250Dab with a USB lead in the centre console was £709.
Took around 90 minutes to do (drinking their tea made the time pass quickly) and everything working fine. Just need to sort out getting Waze onto the CarPlay screen but that's for tomorrow.
Features and usefulness are so, so far in advance of the PCM unit it's not even worth going into it.
For now, I have it wired into the Bose optical system, speakers and subs and it's in a different league to the standard unit - the OE Bose speakers are so much better with a decent head unit. I downloaded an album in Hi-res on Qobuz on an iPad and connected this via USB to the Pioneer - the Pioneer/Bose combo is good enough to show the difference between quality sound files and MP3 from Spotify.
I now need a new iPhone with lots of spare memory to get a few hi-res playlists in the car.
Thoroughly recommended - I've put off thinking about upgrading amps/speakers for now!
All in, including removing the old Denison b/t and cabling, matching trim, steering wheel control, dab aerial, mic and Pioneer 250Dab with a USB lead in the centre console was £709.
Took around 90 minutes to do (drinking their tea made the time pass quickly) and everything working fine. Just need to sort out getting Waze onto the CarPlay screen but that's for tomorrow.
Features and usefulness are so, so far in advance of the PCM unit it's not even worth going into it.
For now, I have it wired into the Bose optical system, speakers and subs and it's in a different league to the standard unit - the OE Bose speakers are so much better with a decent head unit. I downloaded an album in Hi-res on Qobuz on an iPad and connected this via USB to the Pioneer - the Pioneer/Bose combo is good enough to show the difference between quality sound files and MP3 from Spotify.
I now need a new iPhone with lots of spare memory to get a few hi-res playlists in the car.
Thoroughly recommended - I've put off thinking about upgrading amps/speakers for now!
C11BRA
Suzuka
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- 30 Mar 2015
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Installation has not been plug & play. But I've learnt a lot.
1st question was. Which of the 2 antenna plugs from the original unit do I use. From the Porsche data I found that the Brown/Yellow plug is biased for AM reception so we need to use the Black plug for the FM tuned one.
However? I had no FM reception. Nor sound. Hmmmmmmm.
So. No sound. I have the Bose Sub option so I had ordered the fibre optic option. All connected. But no sound.
The steering wheel controls work via the Can bus wires in the red plug. I can see that the white/red wire is the wake up wire for the Bose amp but I can see no power here from the unit. Hence, no sound I guessed.
I could see that the amp remote wire from the head unit was loomed into a plug but the opposite plug the pin was missing. Ah ha!!!!! So even though I had tried adding power to this blue AMP ON wire below once the system was up & running, it seems that the blue wire needs power earlier whilst powering up.
Re-routing the wire to the AMP ON wire and we had sound!!!!!! 😛
For 20 seconds. ☹ï¸
What I was finding was that the red wire to the head unit was only being powered (by putting the key in) for 20 seconds. Forcing me to put the full ignition on to play the radio. Not ideal. The red wire was being powered by the steering wheel control box so possibly just woken by the can bus system.
A quick look at the car circuit diagram and I found a key in (accessory live) wire in the handbrake wiring loom connector. Orange wire. Tested. Live when key in the barrel & when ignition on. Bingo. The plug pin was empty on the female side so I grabbed a similar plug from my BMW stock, robbed a female AMP pin & connected it in the correct pin location. Very satisfying.
I ran this to the original red wire on the head unit. All good now. And doing this also powered the white/white wire in the loom which turns out to be antenna amp power wire so we now have FM reception. Yay!!!!!!
Next comes the removal of the now redundant Tooki phone adapter. I followed the orange fibre optic wires and got confused for a while. Then I realised that the Tooki system must add an extra plug & single optic cable to intercept the signal to play phone calls through the speakers.
By lifting the little blue tabs, the extra cable could be removed and now it's back to factory wires and all still working.
Sounds bloody amazing btw.
I'll update you with final hardware installation another day.
1st question was. Which of the 2 antenna plugs from the original unit do I use. From the Porsche data I found that the Brown/Yellow plug is biased for AM reception so we need to use the Black plug for the FM tuned one.
However? I had no FM reception. Nor sound. Hmmmmmmm.
So. No sound. I have the Bose Sub option so I had ordered the fibre optic option. All connected. But no sound.
The steering wheel controls work via the Can bus wires in the red plug. I can see that the white/red wire is the wake up wire for the Bose amp but I can see no power here from the unit. Hence, no sound I guessed.
I could see that the amp remote wire from the head unit was loomed into a plug but the opposite plug the pin was missing. Ah ha!!!!! So even though I had tried adding power to this blue AMP ON wire below once the system was up & running, it seems that the blue wire needs power earlier whilst powering up.
Re-routing the wire to the AMP ON wire and we had sound!!!!!! 😛
For 20 seconds. ☹ï¸
What I was finding was that the red wire to the head unit was only being powered (by putting the key in) for 20 seconds. Forcing me to put the full ignition on to play the radio. Not ideal. The red wire was being powered by the steering wheel control box so possibly just woken by the can bus system.
A quick look at the car circuit diagram and I found a key in (accessory live) wire in the handbrake wiring loom connector. Orange wire. Tested. Live when key in the barrel & when ignition on. Bingo. The plug pin was empty on the female side so I grabbed a similar plug from my BMW stock, robbed a female AMP pin & connected it in the correct pin location. Very satisfying.
I ran this to the original red wire on the head unit. All good now. And doing this also powered the white/white wire in the loom which turns out to be antenna amp power wire so we now have FM reception. Yay!!!!!!
Next comes the removal of the now redundant Tooki phone adapter. I followed the orange fibre optic wires and got confused for a while. Then I realised that the Tooki system must add an extra plug & single optic cable to intercept the signal to play phone calls through the speakers.
By lifting the little blue tabs, the extra cable could be removed and now it's back to factory wires and all still working.
Sounds bloody amazing btw.
I'll update you with final hardware installation another day.
I had the Kenwood DMX8019DABS (and dashcam) fitted today and have to say it is amazing. Yes I was coming from the PCM 1 (996) but I have used other head units 
The wireless Apple CarPlay is superb, connects quickly and resumes seamlessly (after stopping and starting car). The head unit itself has a lot of features which makes personalizing it easy. I even had the dab ariel fitted - was unsure I wanted it as it is on the front screen.
The dashcam integrates directly with the head unit i.e the feed shows on the head unit screen - I had all the functions on (lane departure and collision detection) and they got annoying instantly!! So turned off.
Nice to get in the car, turn it on and have all my music/contacts/podcasts etc available. Not having to swap 6 CDs!!!
The wireless Apple CarPlay is superb, connects quickly and resumes seamlessly (after stopping and starting car). The head unit itself has a lot of features which makes personalizing it easy. I even had the dab ariel fitted - was unsure I wanted it as it is on the front screen.
The dashcam integrates directly with the head unit i.e the feed shows on the head unit screen - I had all the functions on (lane departure and collision detection) and they got annoying instantly!! So turned off.
Nice to get in the car, turn it on and have all my music/contacts/podcasts etc available. Not having to swap 6 CDs!!!
mkoenigsheim
Monza
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- 8 Nov 2013
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villaman said:
I am about to order this unit as well - i ordered a different had unit that should have been plug and play and didn't even have sound..
question - was there any re-wiring required or was it plug and play for basic functionality - radio, power on, sound out etc? - I know I will need to wire in GPS, mic, DAB etc..
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