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991.2GTS
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:37 pm    Post subject: 993 C2S - thoughts? Reply with quote

What are your thoughts on this?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201910042957720

I’m ideally looking for a 4S, but I’d consider a 2S. I’d also want to return the badging back to stock, as not too impressed with that. The wheels I’m in two minds about. The purist in me favours stock, but from a purely aesthetic stance, I quite like the Fuchs.

The interior I’m less fussy about, and like the houndstooth they’ve gone with. It has some brand heritage. And the other changes I’m happy enough with.

The price is certainly at the top end too........ Question

Any thoughts would be much appreciated.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think its been ruined. what nooo
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kas750 wrote:
I think its been ruined. what nooo


I think it looks lovely but not for 90k Surprised
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

991.2GTS... I suspect you may have an idea of my thinking to some degree...(-: First off, I trust you are not thinking of buying with the next owners possible priorities in mind...? Hopefully you are hoping to find YOUR ideal Porsche as THE priority. For that kind of money and in a Porsche of that type originality would be one of my priorities. Lowered suspension is a gain a negative. My least worry would be the Fuchs as they look great and can easily be returned to original though there are cost implications.. The trim is not hounds tooth as I remember it and detracts greatly for me.... NO pictures of the engine bay is a tad disappointing same for under the frunk.. Again given the price, I would really need to know it had not suffered accident damage and definately no patch repairs anywhere in the structure. engine performance I would also want to have it inspected by a 993 expert.... I suspect I need not mention my thinking re market direction... (-:

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1201500

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It’s been for sale quite some time and I suspect the market for these cars now predominantly demands originality, especially at that price point

These are certainly moving a lot slower now than 12-18 months ago and in my opinion that car is not realistically priced in the current market, Not a great deal of choice about at the moment for these.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adamw wrote:
kas750 wrote:
I think its been ruined. what nooo


I think it looks lovely Surprised


Indeed.Especially when it's someone else's. Mr. Green
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great car, love the way it looks, but way too much money for me. In this market at an auction it would be much less. Appreciate it's not an auction but no, not £90k.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kas750 wrote:
adamw wrote:
kas750 wrote:
I think its been ruined. what nooo


I think it looks lovely Surprised


Indeed.Especially when it's someone else's. Mr. Green


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I’m honest I like the interior more than I do the wheels, for some reason it looks like an anthill mob car with those wheels, They just don’t suit that car for me, the interior though looks ok from a distance, you need to have a close look see if it’s finished to a good standard.

Also for me it’s £20K too much,
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991.2GTS
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I certainly agree on the price. Given that and the cosmetic changes I’d want to make i think it’s a non-starter.

This looks like a better bet if I decided on a C4, rather than the C4S. Although that would be a compromise as I much prefer the wider body.

https://www.northway.co.uk/used/porsche/911/993/reading/berkshire/18891157/

As someone has said, there’s not much choice out there for an S.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can find Turbos for that money?
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nickpan wrote:
You can find Turbos for that money?


Yes, but not a fan of the wing/tail. The same body shell but the cleaner lines of the 2S/4S are my preference.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a much nicer example, at a much better price !
Looks more original, BUT...... If your after a 4S i'd wait a month or 2 see what hits the market at Easter......
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

£90k Surprised

90 Dont know

Genuine 18" Fuchs Question

These the repro one's they've started to make again Confused

Still cool though Cool
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I Like it and lets be honest a wide body 993 WITHOUT the massive rear spoiler “spoiling” the lines is a thing of real beauty worship .....

So lets look at what its got in its favour:

- Its a widebody NA 993 Surprised
- its manual (most 2S are tip in the UK Hand )
- it black on silver
- on the face of it it has been very well maintained (That dealer would not touch a dog)
- the mileage is perfect ie you can drive it and not affect value

What’s it got against it:
- the interior is marmite but is easily fixed very cheaply ie only the centres need to be changed (I like it as it lightens the interior and you can get replacement centres, they just Velcro in you know Wink )
- the wheels are marmite (again I like them, I think the car “sits” perfectly on them) ...........but have good value so would likely cost you nothing to swap for original 2S (which where the cheaper solid spokes from the factory)
- it does not have hardbacks

Yes its top end but its a rare car and is one of the rare 2S that I would value like for like with a 4S........

Its a top car and if the maintenance record is as fastidious as I suspect it will be then...........did I mention it looks gorgeous.......and its rare Grin
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just don't get the "S" premium (says the man with a C2) - OK they are rare, but you can have a C2 with these miles for £55k. I just do not think the premium can be justified. And anyway, why is mileage such a big deal? These cars are 20+ years old, what's important is what jobs have been done on them, not how many miles they've clocked.

Example: a car with 70k miles will likely need a suspension refresh. I'm in the middle of sorting that for my car, and even if you can DIY you're looking at £3k plus to replace 20 year old components. Need to replace the evaporator? You probably will; that's typically £1500 minimum. Scuttle rust? Clutch change?

The point is, £90k for a car that may need another £10k spending on it is just insane. I don't care if it's an "S", it's overpriced.

Hell, my C2 is mint, literally needs nothing doing after its time with Precision Porsche. I'd sell it for £50k and you'd have a car that is 99% of that "S" for almost half the price.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's low mileage special edition Vesuvius money imo. At this money, most potential buyers would want originality and Hardbacks which would cost you circa £5k if you could find a set.

Be interesting to find out if screen scuttles, rear chassis legs and door check straps are good or have been sorted?

OP, have you driven any 993's recently. I've had a WB C2S and now a NB C2 and would take the NB car every time. Yes the WB cars have a wider rear and slightly more purposeful look but the NB cars feel much more nimble and light footed.

Look at as many as you can and weigh up future expenditure. A pricey dealer car can soon end up looking very expensive once some preventative maintenance and upgrades have been factored in.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can only buy the widebody at the point of sale.......just sayin Grin

It may be only be a few mmmmmm but boy do those hips look good Thumb

I know I know, there is no logic too it ......but the fact is mileage and that widebody always has and always will command a premium......7 years ago it was £10k like for like.....now its more....go figure.......a widebody will always be a rare car amongst rare cars ......it will always dictate the market.......the old argument that a NB is the better drive is more diluted than ever, a Modern Ford Fiesta is a better drive......thats not what a993 is about nowadays....its about the emotion and the cosmetics and rarity are part of that ownership experience like it or not.........any watch tells the time, but if your into watches thats not what adds the value Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonttt wrote:
the old argument that a NB is the better drive is more diluted than ever, a Modern Ford Fiesta is a better drive......thats not what a993 is about nowadays...


Rubbish, it is exactly what a 993 is all about. When was the last time you got your 993 up to temp and then had a proper thrash round some flowing country roads... Back end sliding about with a little opposite lock followed by the classic slow in and fast out that only a 911 does best.
A Fiesta may soak up a pot hole with more aplomb but that's about it.

Other than a ridiculously low mileage 993 bought purely for investment purposes, there is only one reason to own such a car, to drive the t!ts off it.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonttt wrote:
I Like it and lets be honest a wide body 993 WITHOUT the massive rear spoiler “spoiling” the lines is a thing of real beauty worship .....

So lets look at what its got in its favour:

- Its a widebody NA 993 Surprised
- its manual (most 2S are tip in the UK Hand )
- it black on silver
- on the face of it it has been very well maintained (That dealer would not touch a dog)
- the mileage is perfect ie you can drive it and not affect value

What’s it got against it:
- the interior is marmite but is easily fixed very cheaply ie only the centres need to be changed (I like it as it lightens the interior and you can get replacement centres, they just Velcro in you know Wink )
- the wheels are marmite (again I like them, I think the car “sits” perfectly on them) ...........but have good value so would likely cost you nothing to swap for original 2S (which where the cheaper solid spokes from the factory)
- it does not have hardbacks

Yes its top end but its a rare car and is one of the rare 2S that I would value like for like with a 4S........

Its a top car and if the maintenance record is as fastidious as I suspect it will be then...........did I mention it looks gorgeous.......and its rare Grin


You make a very compelling case. Now I’m tempted again.... Scratch Chin

If it was more original, I think I’d be making plans to go and see it. As it is, and at that price, I’m going to continue the search.

The plan wasn’t to buy again until later in the year, but after seeing yours up close last week I’m having trouble controlling my impulses again. Grin
 
  
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