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NickHappy
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:49 pm    Post subject: turbo DIY Exhaust upgrade Reply with quote

Can I get some help please people on what’s the best way and tools to get these exhaust to turbo nuts off? I’ve been giving it plenty with 13mm ring spanner but not budging and starting to round the nuts off.

Also been trying the torx screws on the turbo guard and snapped the damn thing. Is this repairable as a thread is stuck in the scavenger housing now!!

Ultimately looking to get the exhaust off for an upgrade and change out the plugs whilst I’m in there. Any helps and tips from you experts would be greatly appreciated.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of mine were almost rusted away so I applied a lot of heat and used a cold chisel to crack them off , then a pair of mole grips to wind them out. The uppermost nuts were all ok as are out of the sh*tstream.
Oxyacetylene or decent blowtorch to get them red then douse with water to cool will almost always loosen them.
The broken bolt will need to be drilled and maybe retapped, unless there is a stub of the thread showing, in which case I have had success with mig welding a nut to the stub, the heat created loosens the thread, the wind out with a spanner.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i found the best way was to take a dremel to the washer below the nut and punch the washer out with a screwdriver/chisel this takes the pressure of the nut Its a time consuming job unfortunately.

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=135648

some more info in my thread
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chaser wrote:
A lot of mine were almost rusted away so I applied a lot of heat and used a cold chisel to crack them off , then a pair of mole grips to wind them out. The uppermost nuts were all ok as are out of the sh*tstream.
Oxyacetylene or decent blowtorch to get them red then douse with water to cool will almost always loosen them.
The broken bolt will need to be drilled and maybe retapped, unless there is a stub of the thread showing, in which case I have had success with mig welding a nut to the stub, the heat created loosens the thread, the wind out with a spanner.


Agree with this.
whats the condition of the bottom 2 nuts on each side? top one looks ok. I would do as above, you dont need Oxy though if you dont have it. I used MAP gas (plumbing Map gas torch) and that does the job, just takes longer to get them red hot.

Looks like you have nothing left to get on to with the snapped one, so you will need to drill it out , then you can collapse the remaining thread in and retap if needed. I think I still have a drain tank kicking around so could measure the depth if you need to know regards drilling it out.

Take it slow and steady, get the right tools needed if you dont have them and tackle it one side at a time.
For the other side bolt (for the heatshield) you need to get the turbo drain hot around the bolt, as hot as possible within reason and the bolt should wind out.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At work and we like any garage use oxy acetylene .. heat the nut up till its glowing red then its either a hammer / chisel to at first try and split the nut then a second heat and hit at an angle to split the nut .

You can use sockets such as this instead of the chisel approach ..

https://www.toolstation.com/irwin-bolt-grip-nut-remover-set/p63045?store=FK&utm

They don't really fit on these turbo nuts though.

The heat source .. obviously we have industrial oxy accet .. but a possible if still expensive item ..

https://www.lbsbmonline.co.uk/120l-brazing-and-welding-torch-kit?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIytKeiLqf5wIVRLDtCh1VTg_rEAQYDSABEgIPj_D_BwE

If the smaller versions work then that's fine by me .. you just need to get it red hot basically .

A snapped bolt and its drill out time and cut a new thread or fit a timesert .

You could probably get away with leaving that heat shield bolt as it is though .
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great reply’s - thanks so much gents; really appreciated. Gaz, DarkHorse, DeMort that’s all really helpful and looks like it’s going to me more than just spanner’s needed to get these out.

I’ll get working on the washer with the Dremel and see how that goes. As for the scavenger tank nut, a drill out will hopefully sort that out.

Ill keep you posted 👍🏻👍🏻
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chaser wrote:
A lot of mine were almost rusted away so I applied a lot of heat and used a cold chisel to crack them off , then a pair of mole grips to wind them out. The uppermost nuts were all ok as are out of the sh*tstream.
Oxyacetylene or decent blowtorch to get them red then douse with water to cool will almost always loosen them.
The broken bolt will need to be drilled and maybe retapped, unless there is a stub of the thread showing, in which case I have had success with mig welding a nut to the stub, the heat created loosens the thread, the wind out with a spanner.


Cheers for this - a trip to the plumbers merchant for a blow torch i think 🤔
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let there be light!!

Wasn’t too bad in the end - plenty of soaking in penetration oil seems to have helped, managed to get all eight studs out with some help using this:

https://www.toolstation.com/irwin-bolt-grip-nut-remover-set/p63045?store=BH&utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=googleshoppingfeed&gclid=CjwKCAiAg9rxBRADEiwAxKDTuorLDjtoL-8R49-iuzVdY2XNr2BPr2iaZXbuOvXIQai3umne_BnElhoCrQgQAvD_BwE

Brilliant bit of kit, just need to get the O2 sensors off next and then drop it of the rear hanger. Any advice on where to get replacement studs and bolts from. Stainless preferred I think.






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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bit of an update on the new exhaust project;

Unhooked the exhaust all OK after cutting through the straps with a dermel tool, dropped the O2 sensor wiring through to the floor after removing the Y-pipe and air box.

Just can’t these O2 sensors off - managed to get 1 loose with a special O2 tool and breaker bar but the remaining three just aren’t shifting!! Will have to give it a go with some heat - if still no luck a local Indy may have to help me out.

New TG linked performance exhaust, headers and tips have arrived - looks good so far - looking forward to a full sound test soon 👍🏻

Looks like I’m going to need some new nuts and studs for the headers plus the CAT to turbo mounts - where is best to source these??




















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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also fitted my Kline exhaust myself , it was easy enough except for most of the bolts linking cat to turbo snapped . Got the manifolds to do next .
 



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just bought new pre and post cat Bosch sensors from ECP, easier if putting back to standard in the future. My old exhaust can now just be put straight on.

Incidentally, I have a pair of carbon Kline tail pipes of a 997.1 turbo for sale at one point, boxed as new. I’m loving my Kline, best mod so far Smile
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’m glad you like the Kline. I am waiting for mine to arrive end of feb. Went with 100cel plus the headers. Can’t wait.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

keendean wrote:
I just bought new pre and post cat Bosch sensors from ECP, easier if putting back to standard in the future. My old exhaust can now just be put straight on.

Incidentally, I have a pair of carbon Kline tail pipes of a 997.1 turbo for sale at one point, boxed as new. I’m loving my Kline, best mod so far Smile


Another advocate here for leaving the old sensors on the old exhaust. Apparently, they don't always take kindly to being moved and I thought it false economy if the old exhaust was damaged in the process.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had to remove mine as one of the O2 sensors was goosed and the car was running like a dog. They came out easily using some map gas. I wouldn't even bother trying them without heat as you will round them out.
Just heat the area around the O2 sensor, not the O2 sensor body as it not the sensor thread body you want to expand.

Good progress Nickhappy Smile
Not sure why you cut the exhaust straps though?!!
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scholester wrote:
keendean wrote:
I just bought new pre and post cat Bosch sensors from ECP, easier if putting back to standard in the future. My old exhaust can now just be put straight on.

Incidentally, I have a pair of carbon Kline tail pipes of a 997.1 turbo for sale at one point, boxed as new. I’m loving my Kline, best mod so far Smile


Another advocate here for leaving the old sensors on the old exhaust. Apparently, they don't always take kindly to being moved and I thought it false economy if the old exhaust was damaged in the process.


Good suggestion Gents - think I’ll give it a go with some MAP gas and then if they’re not freeing up this may be the way to go. Not cheap though are they??!! @£450 is the best price I can find...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

darkhorse wrote:
I had to remove mine as one of the O2 sensors was goosed and the car was running like a dog. They came out easily using some map gas. I wouldn't even bother trying them without heat as you will round them out.
Just heat the area around the O2 sensor, not the O2 sensor body as it not the sensor thread body you want to expand.

Good progress Nickhappy Smile
Not sure why you cut the exhaust straps though?!!


Cheers for that DarkHorse - MAP gas ready and waiting for this weekend Thumb

When I say straps I meant the strap bolts - they were completely rusted and no chance of spinning. Straps are fine to reuse with new bolts
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NickHappy wrote:
darkhorse wrote:
I had to remove mine as one of the O2 sensors was goosed and the car was running like a dog. They came out easily using some map gas. I wouldn't even bother trying them without heat as you will round them out.
Just heat the area around the O2 sensor, not the O2 sensor body as it not the sensor thread body you want to expand.

Good progress Nickhappy Smile
Not sure why you cut the exhaust straps though?!!


Cheers for that DarkHorse - MAP gas ready and waiting for this weekend Thumb

When I say straps I meant the strap bolts - they were completely rusted and no chance of spinning. Straps are fine to reuse with new bolts


Ah yes, the bolts!! Good stuff!
I used an O2 sensor tool with a 3/8 extension bar (hilka sensor tool from screwfix). Heat the surrounding exhaust area for a while.. until its starting to get a little cherry red around the O2 sensor. Then give it a good tweak with the breaker (or ratchet) and it should wind out. Rinse and repeat!
Mine all came out like this with no issue, once its loosened half a turn I wind it back the other way a little and then undo a turn, then the other way a little. That clears the crud from the threads and ensures you won't round the hex off when undoing it(in theory).
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great work Nick
Looking forward to sound check Grin
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adamw wrote:
Great work Nick
Looking forward to sound check Grin


Same here thumbsup
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Progress update; got the MAP gas on the O2 sensors and worked a treat, I’ve had to replace one though as the thread was well and truly worn. Something I’ll have to get round to at some point is to re-tap the original exhaust.

Given everything a good clean up and starting to mount the new exhaust and cats on, put it all together as a loose fit and upon tightening it down all coming together nicely Thumb

Look forward to getting it fired up this weekend for sound check Grin




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