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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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easternjets wrote:
It's a very well sorted car, worth every penny of what he's asking for it. Only down side is it's modded so maybe difficult to sell on when the time comes, it has been for sale for about a year so speak to him. Read the spec on it, it truly is a very rapid car and had a huge amount of money spent on it.


Agreed, just saw the add on AT, shame I have to sell mine first as your right it is great value

Can't you just sell yours quickly at £1000 under market value (this should be roughly comparable with the PX offer you would be looking at) and tease Ragpickers beast from him with a sensible offer? Might he even take yours as trade-in at a mutually agreeable overall figure?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I came out of a manual 996 4s coupe into the manual 996 turbo coupe I have now. I have no regrets - I traded my 4s in for the turbo and found all but Porsche specialists to be very wary, even prejudiced against the 996 for reasons which we all know of leading to offers ranging from poor to offensive.

I would have been quite happy to sell and buy privately but the right deal came along at the right time for me and I ended up getting 6.5k more than the lowest offer for my car in trade so be prepared to walkway if you get traders being bell ends - I find google reviews a powerful way to generate a more respectful approach from some dealers (of course not all dealers are the same).

Unless you have a decent diagnostic like durametric and a willingness to get under the car along with the required talent to do so then I would support a an inspection too - just be careful who you use as many have fine print which exonerates them of any omissions in their inspection which can be costly for you down the line in many ways.

After buying I had some bits done for my own peace of mind but after a good going over by the Indy I use it has a clean bill of mechanical health - I want to do some cosmetic improvements this year now I’ve saved up some more cash and swap out the standard exhaust for a europipe or similar as for me, the stock noise from the turbo is a disappointment in comparison to the PSE I had on the 4s and the sports pipe I have on my RS3 which I use as a daily.

I loved my 4s and miss it in many ways, but overall I’m delighted with my turbo - I’m just lucky I was able to save up the funds to purchase one - were I not I would still be delighted with my 4s.

Good luck with your search.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's one thing for sure I've never heard of anyone buying a Turbo and saying they regretted it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just contacted a dealer about an X50 I’ve had my eye on for a month or so. Will be interesting to see what is offered for mine seeing they are a Porsche specialist. I’m in no rush to get something and may yet sale mine privately.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Creationblue wrote:
Just contacted a dealer about an X50 I’ve had my eye on for a month or so. Will be interesting to see what is offered for mine seeing they are a Porsche specialist. I’m in no rush to get something and may yet sale mine privately.


Just make sure it is genuine X50. Ask Ken Napier of 9 Excellence. He has had examples of cars presented as X50 which on examination turn out not to be X50.

Can't stress enough to have a full PPI and ECU readout to validate mileage and over revs. The 996 turbo only has two rev ranges. Don't worry if it has hit the rev limiter. It cuts the fuel supply to prevent damage, unlike a mechanical over-rev that does not - for example a missed gear change from 5th to 2nd instead of 4th causing mechanical over revs that can damage the engine.

These cars are getting on in age. Some have been maintained on shoe-string budgets - definitely not the sort of car you would want to buy.
Mileage is not an issue - the engine is bullet-proof - provided it has been well-cared for. A marque specialist knows all the areas to examine. So no need for me to list them here. Such an exam will be the best £300 you spend to find a good one. I'd hazard a guess ands say all the cars on inspection will likely need some work.

Modded cars can be bargains seldom recouping the costs of mods for the seller. But they can be challenging to off-load as the pool of buyers is considerably smaller. But it is your choice at the end of the day.

Can't help you with the tip v manual debate. I am biased as I only wanted a manual car. The tips sold far more than manual cars though, so searching and finding a good manual car will be more challenging than the same for a tip car.

I've had mine 8 years and its absolutely a lovely car. Highly recommended choice is a 996 Turbo.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the great advice once again all. Probably not the best time of the year to sell my convertible, got a couple of irons in the fire re Turbos and trade-ins so I’ll see how that goes. As for the manual v Tip question is was more as to weather one or the other was more reliable rather than the actual driving experience.

Thanks for the advice on genuine X50 cars, I’m looking for cars with recent turbos, I’m assuming that it would be pretty much the most expensive thing that is likely to go wrong with these cars other than the gearbox Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if the turbos are shot they can be rebuilt as parts can still be had, ive just had both mine rebuiult with billet compressor wheels for around £1100. The drivers side turbo was so corroded it was only the actuator holding it together!
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Even if the turbos are shot they can be rebuilt as parts can still be had, ive just had both mine rebuiult with billet compressor wheels for around £1100. The drivers side turbo was so corroded it was only the actuator holding it together!


Is it not an engine out job to replace? Was assuming the labour costs would bump the overall cost of turbo replacement.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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........... as for the manual v Tip question is was more as to weather one or the other was more reliable rather than the actual driving experience.



I've heard of a lot more issues with the manual gearbox compared to Tips.

A lot of big bhp cars use the Tip box with little/no modification.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

interesting that, I feel like I need to be buying a manual to get the most out of the car on a personal 'feels' level but I actually like my Tip for its ease of driving and its still pretty cool in my book pressing a button when charging on. Question
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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interesting that, I feel like I need to be buying a manual to get the most out of the car on a personal 'feels' level but I actually like my Tip for its ease of driving and its still pretty cool in my book pressing a button when charging on. Question


I'm back in a manual Boxster after a couple of Tip cars and tbh I find it a pain in the arse Thumb

Buy what you like not what others recommend.The Tip will be worth less when you sell but will cost less to buy.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Creationblue wrote:
interesting that, I feel like I need to be buying a manual to get the most out of the car on a personal 'feels' level but I actually like my Tip for its ease of driving and its still pretty cool in my book pressing a button when charging on. Question


If you're used to a Tip' and move to a turbo there'll be so many other 'feels' going on that going back to manually changing gears is not something you'd even think about. Grin
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just don't start tuning it Rolling Eyes

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haha found out a few days ago that the 997.1 turbo has the same forged engine internals as 997 GT2 RS.

Pretty sure 996 turbo engine the same as 997.1? = good for 620bhp out of the box Grin

Send her straight to an indy for tune!
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Creationblue wrote:
Rosselder83 wrote:
Even if the turbos are shot they can be rebuilt as parts can still be had, ive just had both mine rebuiult with billet compressor wheels for around £1100. The drivers side turbo was so corroded it was only the actuator holding it together!


Is it not an engine out job to replace? Was assuming the labour costs would bump the overall cost of turbo replacement.


Completely missed this thread (not been around for a while).

No, taking a turbo off takes a couple of hours. Take the rear PU and I/c off and then undo the various turbo fittings after draining the turbo oil sump. You can get a turbo refurbished from as little as £2-300 if the internals are in good order to £1200 or so if you want an upgrade. You don't need a Porsche specific turbo refurbisher, loads of places do them. Thumb

As for my car, lots of very nice comments from people who've actually seen it in action - thanks! Embarassed

Yes its still for sale, I've got a bit of interest in it at the moment, there seems to be more people looking for turbos at the moment. Always happy to discuss a deal with anyone serious as it has been for sale for a while and I would like to move it on eventually. The current ad in case anyone is interested https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274203367188

Good luck with the search OP Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taking the Turbo units off is relatively straight forward, what bu@@ers the job up is taking all the corroded nuts and studs off, I did mine on a 997.1 and it took me a whole morning to get one flange free!
This is what people mean by spending a bit more and getting a car that has had all of this type of work done, a water pump for instance could set you back £1000 plus if it goes into a garage and they have to burn off studs and nuts!
If you have a budget and you can't stretch it, then either wait to see if one comes up at your price or look for a different car, these cars can become money pits if you happen to buy a neglected car.

Check water pump, plugs and coil packs, exhaust condition and has it been removed and new studs and nuts fitted, condition of Turbo's and actuators and coolant pipes which are a weak point on older cars.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pull front undertray off and look for corroded power steering pipes. Also check the hoses, the ends corrode and split, £500 for one, £250 for the other and the routing is even more in labour...

Check under rear arches for corrosion, very common, but easy fix. Also where the front subframe is bolted to the chassis, the legs there can go a bit too. Top of the gearbox tunnel if you can see it, some plates rust up there.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
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........... as for the manual v Tip question is was more as to weather one or the other was more reliable rather than the actual driving experience.



I've heard of a lot more issues with the manual gearbox compared to Tips.

A lot of big bhp cars use the Tip box with little/no modification.


Tip boxes are more reliable than manual boxes. Manuals have a few issues, most of which are outlined in this topic (2nd gear pop out, difficult shift changes)

Also, a manual box will make the car susceptible to over-revs, which are common on turbo's, the tip box wont let that happen

I personally think the tip box suits the turbo very well, and if you enjoy the tip in your 996 then I'd be 100% confident you'll enjoy it on the turbo


Let me know if you're interested in buying one, mines up for sale and I'm not that far from Bristol.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
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........... as for the manual v Tip question is was more as to weather one or the other was more reliable rather than the actual driving experience.



I've heard of a lot more issues with the manual gearbox compared to Tips.

A lot of big bhp cars use the Tip box with little/no modification.


I don't think either are great in standard form for big power. But the manual can be taken a lot further, particularly with a GT pump, cooler and spray bar. I don't know what ratios are available for the tip, but there's a range available on the manual along with straight cut gears.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again for the input, so turbos are not necessarily a huge expense, that leaves the exhaust then!

I’m trying to see what options were available and what are worth having, the sports seats are the obvious choice after the gearbox, I also like the Techart exhaust tips, not all have cruise, park assist I guess is handy but not a deal breaker, satnav is surely so out of date it’s neither here nor there, BOSE seems pretty much standard, oh and some have white faced dials?? Anything else to note?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Creationblue wrote:
Thanks again for the input, so turbos are not necessarily a huge expense, that leaves the exhaust then!

I’m trying to see what options were available and what are worth having, the sports seats are the obvious choice after the gearbox, I also like the Techart exhaust tips, not all have cruise, park assist I guess is handy but not a deal breaker, satnav is surely so out of date it’s neither here nor there, BOSE seems pretty much standard, oh and some have white faced dials?? Anything else to note?


They're old ish cars now (but still massively capable) so you will have to dig deep every now and then to maintain it - but it's not loosing £££ per day on depreciation. My advice - get it inspected, buy from someone who did not scrimp and get friendly with an Indie Thumb

The satnav (if original) is nearly pointless - I use my phone (going to change head unit soon) as the unit is soooo bad. Get Bose - that way if you change the head unit you still have decent speakers that you won't need to change.

I went for sport seats but there are opinions on how comfortable the different type of seats are.
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