I was wondering if previous generations of the 911 could be made as 'gt-able' as the 991 for less money, or would any modifications needed negate the purchase cost saving and therefor make the 991 the better buy in the first place?
I'm thinking mainly from the point of view of ride quality and cabin noise/refinement, so would be looking at suspension and sound insulation modifications.
With that in mind, could for example a 997 (tiptronic) Turbo with a PASM 'tuning box' and improved sound insulation be as good a 'sporty-gt' as the 991 (C4S) but less expensive?
And then, similarly a 996 (tip) Turbo for even less?
Please discuss
Many thanks. _________________ 996 C2 Manual
T8 General
Joined: 29 Jun 2010 Posts: 16117 Location: Kent
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:47 pm Post subject:
Hello again
From all you've said previously I'd forget the 996 Turbo, the 997.1 Turbo is a much better starting point and not that much more expensive considering how much newer the car would be.
The DSCv1 PASM 'tuning box' makes the car far more compliant in both Normal and Sports modes and does improve the ride quality considerably.
The much maligned tiptronic box is far nicer in a Turbo compared to a Carrera as the torquey characteristics of the engine match it well. The PDK box in the Gen2 car is undoubtedly better but they do cost considerably more.
Now that the 991.1 C4S has come down to well below £60k it would be my recommendation to you - although I can't personally reconcile myself to spending the £££'s it would cost me to switch from my own 997.1 Turbo.
NB: If you can manage with 'only' 350 bhp the 3.4 991s look fantastic value now.
Happy Hunting _________________ 2007 Guards Red 997 Turbo Tiptronic
ex 2004 Polar Silver 996T Tiptronic
ex 2002 Seal Grey 996.2 C4 Tiptronic
ex 1978 Silver 924 Manual
Robertb Dijon
Joined: 01 Sep 2003 Posts: 7312 Location: South Oxfordshire
I would imagine the base model 991 Carrera or C4 running on the smaller wheels would be the best and most quiet ride. Any S or Turbo models will run on firmer sports suspension and bigger wheels = more racket. _________________ "911- the guilt-free supercar"
Current: 2003 C4S Coupe, seal/black
Ex: '02 C4S Coupe, '96 993 Targa, '88 Carrera Sport Coupe
wadsy Silverstone
Joined: 23 Oct 2013 Posts: 122
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:47 pm Post subject:
T8 wrote:
Hello again
From all you've said previously I'd forget the 996 Turbo, the 997.1 Turbo is a much better starting point and not that much more expensive considering how much newer the car would be.
The DSCv1 PASM 'tuning box' makes the car far more compliant in both Normal and Sports modes and does improve the ride quality considerably.
The much maligned tiptronic box is far nicer in a Turbo compared to a Carrera as the torquey characteristics of the engine match it well. The PDK box in the Gen2 car is undoubtedly better but they do cost considerably more.
Now that the 991.1 C4S has come down to well below £60k it would be my recommendation to you - although I can't personally reconcile myself to spending the £££'s it would cost me to switch from my own 997.1 Turbo.
NB: If you can manage with 'only' 350 bhp the 3.4 991s look fantastic value now.
Happy Hunting
Thanks for your reply
Could I ask why you'd discount the 996 Turbo?
I liked the idea of the C4S for the obvious reasons; more power and the 4wd for all-year-round usability, but, as you suggest, the 3.4 C2 may be tempting due to the saving!
Hmmm
Cheers _________________ 996 C2 Manual
T8 General
Joined: 29 Jun 2010 Posts: 16117 Location: Kent
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:32 am Post subject:
wadsy wrote:
Could I ask why you'd discount the 996 Turbo?
Your focus seems to be on GT style refinement of ride and whilst the 996 Turbo is a very comfortable sports car it's far less of a GT than a 997 Turbo or a 991 Carrera.
NB: I had a 996T for a couple of years before my 997 Turbo and that refinement was the most noticeable upgrade. I've had a number of test drives in 991 Carreras and they're more refined still, even allowing for the noisier exhaust note. _________________ 2007 Guards Red 997 Turbo Tiptronic
ex 2004 Polar Silver 996T Tiptronic
ex 2002 Seal Grey 996.2 C4 Tiptronic
ex 1978 Silver 924 Manual
wadsy Silverstone
Joined: 23 Oct 2013 Posts: 122
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:31 pm Post subject:
T8 wrote:
wadsy wrote:
Could I ask why you'd discount the 996 Turbo?
Your focus seems to be on GT style refinement of ride and whilst the 996 Turbo is a very comfortable sports car it's far less of a GT than a 997 Turbo or a 991 Carrera.
NB: I had a 996T for a couple of years before my 997 Turbo and that refinement was the most noticeable upgrade. I've had a number of test drives in 991 Carreras and they're more refined still, even allowing for the noisier exhaust note.
_________________ 996 C2 Manual
MaxA Albert Park
Joined: 11 Oct 2015 Posts: 1667 Location: Helsinki
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:23 am Post subject:
I'd look for a 991.1 C2S PDK with standard or fat boy (aka comfort) seats for GT duties. Or even a 991.2 C2 if it's in the budget as the 3.0 is pretty quiet (at least compared to my car). And don't modify it, don't make it any louder.
I don't know which tyres are the quietest (it's not a concern for me, but tyre noise is an issue on the motorway), but find out and fit those. _________________ 997.2 Carrera4S: white over blue, driven and tracked, seldom clean.
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