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Hertsdriver
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Location: Hertfordshire/London

2004 Porsche 997 Carrera 2

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Putting engine worries aside, I have wanted to address my cars ride height for a while now as the arch gaps are HUGE Laughing

My car has Factory PASM so should be 10mm lower than standard, but it doesnt look it... anyways coilovers are out for me as the PASM compatible ones are silly money, so springs it is.

Reading up seems to throw 4 options:
H&R
Eibach
Techart (Made by Eibach but to Techarts spec)
Vogtland

Vogtland are just rubbish VAG nonsense IMO Wink
I've had H&R springs before on my Intergrale, and they were too low and too hard. Reports seem to say this is also the case on a 997 so they are out too..
Techarts seem to get good press, but they are pricey
I have always had good results with Eibach, so I started investigating them.

The 'Pro sport' kit has the part number E10-72-007-01-22, and should be compatible with PASM cars, although Design 911 says it isnt....
They have them listed on their site, and once you take off the 5% 911uk discount they end up at £343 delivered...

Further investigation of the Eibach brochure shows that the springs used in the 'Pro' kit are:
Front 117200701VA
Rear 117200701HA

And it turns out you can order them separately, at a considerable saving... So via Autodoc I got the 4 springs from the kit for £166 delivered - over half the price of Design911! Surprised

so IO ordered and they duly arrived in a parcel big enough to make even Amazon blush... if the weather isnt too arctic this weekend they may go on...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotta love a bargain! Get the details on the alternative parts thread Thumb
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2009 Porsche 997 Carrera 4S

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As lowering these cars is very common I also suggest you add that to the alternative parts list as its a great find and will make it even higher up the to do list for guys. Thumb Thumb
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Hertsdriver
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Location: Hertfordshire/London

2004 Porsche 997 Carrera 2

PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bit the bullet on the Fuch's replicas and went for Satin black. Might still paint the petals either gloss black or Basalt - not sure...
I asked for the refurbishers to only do the very outside lip polished, which brings the colour all the way out. To my mind theses wheels always look like cotton reels with just the centres painted, probably just an optical illusion, but they look too small when painted correctly IMO.
These have been powder coated in black, then the edges diamond cut, then a satin lacquer powder coated over the top to protect the rim and to dull it down from ultra shiny which again I personally do not like. Fine on a 60's 911, but not on a 997 IMO.

Have ordered some new centre caps and will spray them satin to match.

Massive thank you to the boys at Hertswheels for the service Thumb If anyone wants their details give me a shout.
Really need to get the springs on now as that arch gap is HUGE! Floor

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Likey Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Thefinn"][quote="Hertsdriver"]
Thefinn wrote:


You might not have realised but I bet your post cats sensors are connected to the opposite bank than the oem set up as they should be on the same side for the individual cat but the TG cats have the lambda holes in different places (look at the photo you posted of the old vs new) so they dont stretch to the correct connector. Some say this doesn't matter but for me it just didn't sit right that the ECU was getting the wrong readings so I made the cables. Have a look at my thread and i did a little walk through how to make them with parts from Ebay and a company for the connectors who I will try to dig out the details of. You might want to also use the cable clips I used to fix it to the back of the engine support bracket as this was a tidy solution that look quite oem. Thumb


Good thread! Love a good diy build, always pick up info from these, eg idler bearing PNs & exhaust diy swap tips Smile

Just an fyi on secondary lambdas, they only tell the ecu the cat converter performance, eg will flag a CEL if the cats go bad, so having them plugged into opposite sides will make no difference to running (except maybe when scanned the ecu will tell you the opposite side cat is broken lol. It's only the primary lambdas that measure fuel trim.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ALso keep up the good work, looking forward to the manifold swap...
 
  
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Hertsdriver
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Location: Hertfordshire/London

2004 Porsche 997 Carrera 2

PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bullet-proof_biscuit wrote:


Good thread! Love a good diy build, always pick up info from these, eg idler bearing PNs & exhaust diy swap tips Smile

Just an fyi on secondary lambdas, they only tell the ecu the cat converter performance, eg will flag a CEL if the cats go bad, so having them plugged into opposite sides will make no difference to running (except maybe when scanned the ecu will tell you the opposite side cat is broken lol. It's only the primary lambdas that measure fuel trim.

Beers!


I have connected mine up the 'wrong' way around and it has certainly made no difference whatsoever, and as much as the OCD side of me would like them to be the correct way around, the skinflint in my begrudges paying for the longer cables to fix a problem that is only in my head Floor

thanks for the comments - DIY or die! thumbsup
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2004 Porsche 997 Carrera 2

PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still haven't fitted the springs Sad busy time of year for us dads of young'uns...

Floor

Did get a delivery from China. Earlier in this thread I removed my 'carrera' badge from the bootlid and painted it black. Im happy with the finish on the badge itslef, but was never quite happy with the way I'd applied and trimmed the double sided tape, and now managed to track down a seller on aliexpress that stocks the larger badge as used on 996 & 997 (most sell the smaller 991 badge which looks a bit silly IMO), so I ordered one up and also ordered 2 sets of new wheel centres so I can paint them satin black to match the Fuchs replicas, wanted to try the silver/black as well as the traditional full colour badge. All in came to £56 delivered Thumb ordered 20/11 arrived 3/12 will post a link in the alternative parts list if anyone wants to save a bit of cash (D911 sells the same badge for £51, and the Chinese replica wheel caps for £15 each!!!)
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi there,
when the engine was rebuilt I did ask about upgrading the IMS and RMS, but the reason only the clutch was done and no other bearings or upgrades were undertaken is that OPC said they would only fit the standard parts, and as there were no obvious signs of wear at the time it was advised not to change anything else.

I can also add some clarity to the very confusing information on the C2 / PASM ride height.

There are a variety of chassis options on the Carrera models. Firstly the standard, that sits 10mm higher than the C2S, even on PASM. PASM does not lower the car by 10mm and never has done, it is a common misconception and one created by slightly confusing documentation. The C2S comes with PASM as standard (we all know that), but is also 10mm lower than the C2. In addition to this there was a sports/chassis option that was even lower than the two standard models IIRC.
I agree, it looks like the gap in the wheel arch is too much on the C2 models. This was reduced somewhat with the upgrade from 18" wheels, when I put the 19s on the car.

This car looks like it has a fantastic new owner Smile Don't lose heart and be confident that you have an exceptionally well looked after 997 Wink any future proofing will give great peace of mind.

On another note, when these water cooled cars have come in to criticism over the engine rebuilds people seem to neglect to remember that air cooled are frequently rebuilt about the 100k mile mark as well. Also that borescoring is a natural side effect of using an engine, and can happen to most cars of any brand.
 
  
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