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991.2GTS
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I’m not sure how you can compare the turbo to a GT3. Completely different animals. For me, the turbo has always, and will always be, a sledge hammer. Effective, but only really designed for one thing. It’s usually driven by hooligans. Razz

The GT3, with the NA engine, is a purists machine I would say. And the Touring is the GT3 for those who don’t need to shout. It’s the perfect 911.

If you need to shout, buy a Lambo. Grin


Hmmmm, so you dont shout and pay 40k more Dont know It makes no sense, if they were the same price yes, but id still want the shouty one Grin (in yellow) of course Surprised


The only thing I don’t like about the GT3 is the wing. I’d happily pay a premium to get rid of it. That’s why the Touring is just about perfect for me, as the 911R was before that.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Market isn't exactly buoyant, some really lovely cars are spending a lot of time in showrooms with their prices being shaved every few weeks. Seen that with couple of lovely 991.2 GTS's at RPM. JZM have just taken a GT3 Touring in, up for £166,900, no pics yet. Very nice research before you buy project Thumb


That one at JZM is Agate, and a decent spec too.

https://www.jzmporsche.com/used-vehicle-details/Porsche-911-U1701/


Lovely, but maybe a little too subtle for a Touring, Agate is very grown up and possibly the most unshouty colour of them all 🙂
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

991.2GTS wrote:
I’m not sure how you can compare the turbo to a GT3. Completely different animals. For me, the turbo has always, and will always be, a sledge hammer. Effective, but only really designed for one thing. It’s usually driven by hooligans. Razz

The GT3, with the NA engine, is a purists machine I would say. And the Touring is the GT3 for those who don’t need to shout. It’s the perfect 911.

If you need to shout, buy a Lambo. Grin


Well said.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For anyone else (like me) monitoring prices of the Touring pack models, both these cars I originally linked to seem to have sold recently, guessing for around £165-£170k.

Clearly market is not completely dead!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poker2009 wrote:
For anyone else (like me) monitoring prices of the Touring pack models, both these cars I originally linked to seem to have sold recently, guessing for around £165-£170k.

Clearly market is not completely dead!


With just 47 C16 examples delivered to the UK, I guess supply is always going to be limited and that’s going to keep prices strong. It’ll be interesting to see how that changes when a 992 Touring is officially announced.

I still like that Agate example at JZM, that’s been sat there for a while at £166k.

Have you seen this GT3?

https://www.jzmporsche.com/used-vehicle-details/Porsche-911-U1705/

First one I’ve ever seen with a ducktail. Not sure what to make of that.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought that Agate Grey one at JZM would be right up your street Graham....
and the duck tail is not too shouty.....have you noticed the price drop........it's now £137,900........strangely low mileage though for two owners...only 940 miles...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I thought that Agate Grey one at JZM would be right up your street Graham....
and the duck tail is not too shouty.....have you noticed the price drop........it's now £137,900........strangely low mileage though for two owners...only 940 miles...


The Touring in Agate is John, but not this one. Presumably the tail will need removing and the wing being put back to make any warranty claim. I suspect that’s why the price is where it is, as other than that the spec is very good. And mileage is ideal. If the wing hadn’t been swapped out I imagine this would be a £150k car.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...blimey that Irish green one ! Perfection...don't like the Spoilers on any modern 911 aside from the automatic ones...

I have actually bought a Euro millions ticket tonight so who knows Very Happy
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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With just 47 C16 examples delivered to the UK


What is C16? Do you mean just 47 Touring pack models?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

C16 means a UK car.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have booked a Porsche experience day, 90 mins in my current car (just fitted Ohlins so want to compare) and 90 mins in a GT3.

I have read all the power is above 5k revs, which won't be much good to me, as I won't track the car, however I want to see for myself if it's worth even considering a car like this for my own needs. If not, I can save myself a lot of money, and stick with what I have.



That’s certainly not the case with the 991.2....it has plenty of torque and really picks up nicely from low revs....I believe it is a considerable improvement on the 991.1 in this respect so maybe it’s that you are thinking of.

The car also gets what I would describe as a second wind at about 6k revs.... as it pushes to the red line. It’s just a bloody brilliant engine. If you’re anywhere Buckinghamshire/M25 I’ll take you out in mine. Although mine isn’t a Touring nor is it very subtle being Lava Orange.

I had the chance to spec Touring but decided to go the whole hog.

I think the advice someone posted about 992 GT3 coming out isn’t a bad one. I reckon a lot of people will spec it because of prices on 991.2 and also because the lardy arse on 992 combined with what looks like a massive spoiler on test cars is not a good look IMHO.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ducktail on the GT3 looks brilliant.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheib wrote:
Poker2009 wrote:
I have booked a Porsche experience day, 90 mins in my current car (just fitted Ohlins so want to compare) and 90 mins in a GT3.

I have read all the power is above 5k revs, which won't be much good to me, as I won't track the car, however I want to see for myself if it's worth even considering a car like this for my own needs. If not, I can save myself a lot of money, and stick with what I have.



That’s certainly not the case with the 991.2....it has plenty of torque and really picks up nicely from low revs....I believe it is a considerable improvement on the 991.1 in this respect so maybe it’s that you are thinking of.

The car also gets what I would describe as a second wind at about 6k revs.... as it pushes to the red line. It’s just a bloody brilliant engine. If you’re anywhere Buckinghamshire/M25 I’ll take you out in mine. Although mine isn’t a Touring nor is it very subtle being Lava Orange.

I had the chance to spec Touring but decided to go the whole hog.

I think the advice someone posted about 992 GT3 coming out isn’t a bad one. I reckon a lot of people will spec it because of prices on 991.2 and also because the lardy arse on 992 combined with what looks like a massive spoiler on test cars is not a good look IMHO.


Thanks for the offer.

On my experience day, what I found is I didn't really get out of second gear, sometimes third.

I also got stuck with an instructor I didn't really get on with - it was raining, and he kept telling me how unsafe the car is in the rain, not really meant for road use, and all about his volvo and audi which had the same clutch and done 200k miles! He did my head in for 3 hours, and has put me off doing anything like that again.

I complained after and got half my money back, but am not really much wiser as to whether it is a car I could live with daily.

I drive my 997 at higher revs, and not sure in the GT3 if i did that, I would ever get out of second gear.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I drive my 997 at higher revs, and not sure in the GT3 if i did that, I would ever get out of second gear.[/quote]

Probably not......but there are few better places to be than sat in front of that 4.0 once it’s up into the higher rev’s!

I did the PEC at Silverstone in my own car and found the track really frustrating after 5 mins, on some of the smaller tracks in the UK you can literally do a whole lap in 3rd gear at a decent pace, the engine is that good.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I drive my 997 at higher revs, and not sure in the GT3 if i did that, I would ever get out of second gear.


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Probably not......but there are few better places to be than sat in front of that 4.0 once it’s up into the higher rev’s!

I did the PEC at Silverstone in my own car and found the track really frustrating after 5 mins, on some of the smaller tracks in the UK you can literally do a whole lap in 3rd gear at a decent pace, the engine is that good.


I think that was part of the problem I had also.

It is a lovely engine and car, just need to work out if it is for me or not. I've made a mistake on a high value car recently (which I am still trying to sell), and don't want that to happen again.

It is always nice to have that power from the GT3. My 997 is probably enough for the roads and I get to use a few gears. However I am kind of fed up of the old tech and interior. Still, it has a six-speed manual gearbox, and with the Ohlins I fitted recently, is handling really well.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw this beautiful Carmine Red car at OPC Tonbridge yesterday. Only 2k miles.

But ............. £199k Surprised

https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/911-GT3-115145
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